Hmm. I want to throw my 2 cents in here just for the hell of it. OddsOn, you may genuinely feel that there is nothing harmful about calling homosexuality an illness, but that is a very offensive statement. I can tell you from experience that, as someone else suggested, those very comments and others like it are one of the causes of depression and low self esteem you find so prevelant among homosexuals. I was never molested or abused as a child. I grew up in a 2 parent Catholic household with 7 older brothers and sisters. They are all in heterosexual marriages and each has at least 2 children. Considering that we all grew up together, in the same environment, why is it that I'm different? For those that say it is a choice, how exactly do you make that choice? Explain to me how a 7 year old girl "chooses" to have a crush on her best friend? How a 15 year old "chooses" to get jealous when she sees the girl she likes with some stupid boy? How a 17 year old "chooses" to become aroused by the thought of a nice set of boobs?
I have to say I agree that if you believe its an illness, then it's pretty stupid to say it. There is no other time you tell ill people they're ill, why make this the exception? If you think it's an illness, then by that thinking, rubbing it in as an illness will obviously make it worse. So what's achieved by doing this? IMO, unless you're specifically prompted about your views, keep them to yourself. Same goes to both sides. It doesn't help to prompt comments like this so never try to stuff it in someone's face and force them to make comments that are hurtful. Everyone should just mind their own business and keep these things to themselves.
... and the people promoting this movement, and the people against it. As it was explained to me, an American doesn't have the right to not be made uncomfortable. This presumably applies to everyone, inlcuding those who are for and against homosexuality. So if you're against it, mind your own business and stay out of the way. If certain things make you uncomfortable, tough. If you're with it, then mind your own business and stay out of the way. If certain things make you uncomfortable, tough. Everyone needs to stop trying to force other people to believe what they believe, especially if they chose to live in a country where everyone has the freedom to do almost everything they want. If you love America, this comes with the territory. Learn to live with it or maybe you just don't love America so much?
wrong. It is the best argument for being homosexual not being a choice. Just like some people are born with different physical sex characteristics, they are also born with different mental ones.
Unfortunately, this misses a very important point. Gays don't have the same rights as straight people. So asking them to mind their own business and stay out of the way is more than making them uncomfortable, it's discrimination. So of course gays have a right to request/demand equal rights. If you're just talking about gay pride parades and such, I guess you're against Black History Month, St. Patrick's Day and Christmas, too? What's the difference?
Uhhhh... one problem dude. #1 by its nature excludes people and restricts freedom. #2 simply seeks to obtain equal rights and freedoms which they currently DO NOT HAVE. Funny that you play the "if you don't agree with me, maybe you're not a real American" card at the end there. You talk of freedom, but you're okay with the freedoms of gay people being restricted. As long as it's not you, right?
You sure about that? I don't have numbers but I think they do. And if they don't now, that's where we're headed soon. The numbers are changing steadily towards this outcome. So I guess Obama would be a visionary then, right? And regardless of the numbers, there is simple right and wrong, so even if the American people do not agree, it's still the right thing to do.
Just because the majority of Americans don't accept gay marriage, doesn't mean they don't agree with Obama on this topic. This is about not persecuting gays, and treating them as if they were evil. The President doesn't support gay marriage.
I definitely worded it poorly if that's how it came off. I'm saying let gay people get married. After that, everyone mind your own business and no one shove anything down each other's throats (no pun intended). Don't expect everyone to agree with what you think.
The American people didn't agree with desegregation, or interracial marriage either. That's why sometimes they need to be lead, when we are talking about what is just.
Get the state completely out of the marriage business for EVERYONE. Less government, problem solved, argument over.
This has nothing to do with race, brah The American public doesn't agree with marrying your dog, either
Except that the racial analogies fit perfectly with discrimination against gays. And marrying your dog might be next, although probably not because that analogy doesn't fit. There is no outcry to allow people to marry animals, there aren't millions of people affected by the ban against marrying canines, it would be hard to prove in a court of law that a dog consents to the marriage, etc. Of course, this thread isn't about gay marriage anyway, which has already been pointed out.
