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It's official...Ann Coulter has totally lost it

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by leroy, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. Batman Jones

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    ROXRAN: Do you agree Ann Coulter is a counterweight to far left personalities?

    No. There are no equivalent personalities on the left. Not even close.

    ROXRAN: Do think Ann Coulter has substantial political impact? Is she a threat to the democratic or leftward political ideology?

    I can't guess at what her impact is. Only the angriest, craziest people on the right take her seriously. But I won't guess at how many of those people there are. Second question: No. But if the left was to succeed at marrying her hatespeech to the right, she would be a threat to the GOP. The vast majority of Republicans find her repugnant. If the right were forced to embrace or disdain her, they would lose votes either way. I like to think (because I think most Republicans are reasonable people) that they would lose far more votes by embracing her than disdaining her, but they'd lose votes either way.

    ROXRAN: Where is your Micheal Moore?

    Where he usually is, but Michael Moore and Ann Coulter have zero in common. Moore criticizes the president on policy and is occasionally hyperbolic about it. Coulter says 9/11 widows are glad their husbands are dead. No comparison. No one on the left would ever say that kind of disgusting stuff.

    ROXRAN: Where are the documentaries?

    That's a non-sequitur. You're good at those.

    ROXRAN: Do you feel that there is such a thing as a far left personality? Who is that example?

    There are a lot of them. Franken's far left. Moore is. Kucinich is. And I am. None of us brush up against the extremism of an Ann Coulter. In fact, neither does David Duke. He wouldn't dare say the outrageously hateful things Coulter does.

    ROXRAN: What would Harry Truman do if he was President right now?

    If Truman were president none of this would be at issue and there is less than zero chance we'd be in this unnecessary failure of a war. But war or no war, if he were president the country wouldn't be anywhere near this divided. Only Bush could accomplish (and in our modern history, only Bush has accomplished) this kind of national schism. The most recent precedent for it is the Civil War.

    ROXRAN: Have you researched the strong decisiveness of this great President and should his style be emulated by leaders of the Democratic party?

    Are you talking about Bush? He definitely believes in things strongly and acts accordingly. I do wish we had a Democrat that did that. But Bush doesn't actually tell the American people what those things are. He lies to us about what he cares about and then he acts according to what he actually does care about. I'm proud we don't have a Democrat like that.

    ROXRAN: Do you believe in the merits of a moderate democracy which allows the embracing of the bill of rights including the 2nd admendment rights, strong foreign policy,..yet strong traditional social democratic policy (insurance, welfare, etc.)?

    I wouldn't call it a "moderate" democracy, but yeah. I believe in having a president that has the utmost respect for the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I wish we had one like that now.
     
  2. ROXRAN

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    Thanks for answering,...I wanted to get this perspective from the other side...especially a far lefter such as yourself. When I asked about the strong decisiveness, I was referring to Truman...If you look at his style and legendary decisive skills you will notice he was a different kind of Democratic leader than what is fielded today. He communicates things short, sweet, and to the point, without EVER changing his tune to suit polls...Very strong foreign policy. he didn't back down or pussyfoot on any issues...He never attacked rights or gun rights..He had the lowest public opinion poll (22%) ever for a President right before he stepped away from a third term (after firing Gen. Douglas MacArthur), yet Historians regard him usually in the top 5 best Presidents ever...

    His style should be examined and followed by today's Democratic leaders if they are to have a chance. That is my opinion.

    Also, thanks for your support on the 2nd admendment. Let no one else trample ALL the bill of rights including the 2nd admendment further...
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Do you agree Ann Coulter is a counterweight to far left personalities?

    No there is no personality on the left who is as lacking on substance and heavy on attacks of people who are victims.


    Do think Ann Coulter has substantial political impact? Is she a threat to the democratic or leftward political ideology?
    She isn't a threat to ideology of anyone on the left. She is a threat to politics in general since there are people who agree with her non-existent made up political points.

    Where is your Micheal Moore?
    I have no idea where Michael Moore is. I do know that he is not a Democrat. There is no doubt that Moore slants his films towards angle he wants. There is no doubt that what he is uses creative propoganda to create propoganda. Unlike Coulter, though he didn't make up out of nowhere the idea that Bush sat there stunned after he was told about 9/11. Coulter did make up that people aren't allowed to criticize war widows are argue their positions.


    Where are the documentaries?
    They aren't so much documentaries as propoganda pieces which can be entertaining and have some interesting things in them.

    Do you feel that there is such a thing as a far left personality? Who is that example?
    Who is what? Who is Ann Coulter? Again there is no far left personality who is Ann Coulter or even close to her level of dishonest meaningless and made up stuff.

    What would Harry Truman do if he was President right now?
    Probably get us out of Iraq, be mad as hell that we got into it in the first place, try and rehire the peope who were right along about Iraq but were fired for saying what they believed. Take responsibility for things that went wrong. He woud hold people accountable for their mistakes by firing them, and definitely not promoting them, as this President has done.

    Have you researched the strong decisiveness of this great President and should his style be emulated by leaders of the Democratic party?

    I agree there should be strong decisions makers from the Democratic party. I agre that there aren't that many of them.

    Do you believe in the merits of a moderate democracy which allows the embracing of the bill of rights including the 2nd admendment rights, strong foreign policy,..yet strong traditional social democratic policy (insurance, welfare, etc.)? That is what I am all about. I want the bill of rights intact, including the 4th amendment, and strong social democratic policy such as health insurance for every American, etc.
     
  4. ROXRAN

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    That is where I'm at as well. Thanks for supporting the 2nd admendment rights with no further infringement...All aspects of the bill of rights whether you like them or not should never be infringed...

    I gotta say this, I don't think Truman would have "cut and run" (I apologize for using this scathing phrase, but I don't know how else to put it...) He was very successful militarily on foreign policy...He was against communism very much so...He oversaw the Korean War in which 55,000 U.S. troops died!...and he did not cave in after a couple thousand dead until stagnation of the war resulted in stalemate (technically we are still at war with North Korea)...The result was the salvation of South Korea and a stop of communist infiltration...

    If you guys could field a leader like this I would back him with my vote...I believe in the intercontinental democratic policy of welfare, labor rights, environmentalism, healthcare within,...but my mindset is with the example set forth by Truman, and Bush on foreign policy, and the Bill of rights...Bush could have done more to ensure all aspects of the bill of rights, yet I am resigned to understand we live in a post 9/11 world...
     
  5. mc mark

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    Do you agree Ann Coulter is a counterweight to far left personalities?

    I know it's not polite to answer a question with a question, but I think here it makes a point. Is there anyone on the left that talks about killing congressmen, poisoning Supreme Court justices, killing a president? I can honestly answer that no there is not, and if there was I would condemn them as much as I condemn Coulter.

    Do think Ann Coulter has substantial political impact? Is she a threat to the democratic or leftward political ideology?

    Not sure if she is a threat to democratic or leftward political ideology but I do believe that despite all the apologists claiming that she's just joking and no one takes her seriously, there are those sad people in the world that do take what she has to say to heart and believes that what she says about democrats is true. You only have to look at how many books she sells and she sells a lot. Now I'm sure there is the entertainment factor to buying her books but again I can't help but think that there are those sad people that believe what they read.


    Where is your Michael Moore?

    Michael Moore may make movies that critize the administration and Bush. But he comes nowhere near the vitriol of Coulter. Not even in the same league.

    Where are the documentaries?

    Not really understanding what you're asking here.

    Do you feel that there is such a thing as a far left personality? Who is that example?

    Of course there are; Hollywood! :cool: But again none comes close to the hatred of Coulter

    What would Harry Truman do if he was President right now?

    Well this is just my opinion but I do think he wouldn't have got the nation into this war but if he did, he would have had a better plan for the execution of the war, had a better plan for keeping and restoring the peace and infrastructure of the country and would have had a plan on how to end the war. Oh and he probably would have made sure we had a way to pay for it. And I'm sure he wouldn't have taken is focus off the true fight against terror and let Bin Laden remain free.

    Have you researched the strong decisiveness of this great President and should his style be emulated by leaders of the Democratic Party?

    I've reads several books about the bush family going back to Prescott Bush and how the family made their fortune. Hence some of the reason why I dislike the family and in particular GWB. Sorry, I don't see how you reach the conclusion that he is some great moral thinker and decider. As far as emulating him and his style I would hope we never have a president, democrat or republican, again that is this incompetent, ineffectual and inept.

    Do you believe in the merits of a moderate democracy which allows the embracing of the bill of rights including the 2nd amendment rights, strong foreign policy,..yet strong traditional social democratic policy (insurance, welfare, etc.)?

    I am a strong and fierce defender of the Bill of Rights! All of them. I may not agree with some of them but they are the laws of the greatest country in the world and the reason we live the way we do. I come from a long line of people that served in the military. From my grandfather in the Merchant Marines, to my brother and father retiring with honors from the Air Force. The love of this country and its laws was instilled from a very young age.

    Hope this helps!
     
  6. giddyup

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    Was it Alec Baldwin who wanted to stone Henry Hyde?

    I'll get back to you; I need to do a major google search on political comedians. I bet I get some hits with Lewis Black...
     
  7. mc mark

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    Don't hurt yourself.

    [edit] Speaking of attacking civil rights. ROX do you care about the 1st amendment as much as the 2nd?

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    there's more here: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005433.htm
     
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    ROXRAN, I know you admire Truman, who's a President I admire as well, but to compare him to George W. Bush, our current President, does a disservice to Truman, in my opinion. Truman entered the war in Korea because the United Nations forces, of which we were an integral part, a leading part, were attacked by North Korea. It was an invasion of the South, which was protected by the UN forces there, as well as the military of South Korea.. He had no choice but to respomd, unless we were going to withdraw and allow North Korea to take the South against the will of the world community, as represented by the UN and the joint forces there.

    There is absolutely no comparison to the situation in Iraq, prior to the invasion and occupation of that country by the United States, and it's handful of "coalition forces," of which the British represented the only significant part. During the Gulf War, when Iraq attacked Kuwait, a good comparison could be made, and the way the United States, and the world, responded to that invasion was very much like the UN response to the invasion of South Korea by NK.

    One could make an argument that the invasion and occupation of Iraq by George W. Bush did, if anything, resemble the invasion of South Korea by North Korea... that the United States, as difficult as it may be for many to accept, acted more like North Korea in this instance, not the other way around. In short, ROXRAN, with all due respect, you have it backwards. Bush Senior acted more like Truman. Bush Junior acted more like the leader of North Korea in 1950, invading a country many may not have liked (China, the USSR, and their allies may have felt that way about South Korea), but that did not present a clear and present danger to their national interests and to world peace.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  9. giddyup

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    Well, did you or did you not write this with a great deal of certainty I might add:

    "I know it's not polite to answer a question with a question, but I think here it makes a point. Is there anyone on the left that talks about killing congressmen, poisoning Supreme Court justices, killing a president? <b>I can honestly answer that no there is not</b>, and if there was I would condemn them as much as I condemn Coulter."
     
  10. mc mark

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    What did you find giddy? Some Jon Stewart joke?
     
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    Give me some time. Remember, I'm trying to find something that you say does not exist-- but I've already disrupted that notion with the Alec Baldwin recollection. I've been at the pool for 3 hours with the kids and we are probably headed back soon. Maybe later... now don't go behind my back and start editing the internet.
     
  12. ROXRAN

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    mc mark, I was very impressed with your responses...but I don't think I made it clear that I meant Truman with this question (I meant Truman): "Have you researched the strong decisiveness of this great President and should his style be emulated by leaders of the Democratic Party?"
     
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    nevermind, I read incorrectly...thanks Deckard. But I have a comment in response...I know you feel different and respect your opinion nonetheless...

    Of course, I feel differently due to my opinion on the reasoning of doing something after 11 years, 16 resolutions of baseless cooperation from Saddam, and the new outlook of tactics and strategy of a post 9/11 world...I personally feel the Democrats have gotten away from the leadership and qualities of Truman, FDR, and Kennedy...Call me crazy, but after examining each of their styles...I see such a contrast with the leadership now...both parties...
     
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    I haven't seen substantial reports at Gitmo of torture...
     
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    I believe after the Saddam's lying, and crimes against his own people they would probably do what we had been doing, in cooperation with our allies. We would have him hemmed in and contained so tight that he couldn't move, couldn't fly, couldn't do much of anything, and was therefore not a threat.

    Once an enemy has his arms and legs chopped off, it doesn't make you tougher, more decisive, or a better leader because you cut off his head, and jump up and down on his body.
     
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    The guy in the hood on the right is carrying a US flag not wearing a Club Gitmo T-shirt... and I imagine the chap wearing the undies on his head is a denizen of Abu Grahb while the kid with a knife to his neck is Nick Berg. This is an indictment of the US Military and by extension of the Administration-- which should be tantamount to judges, congresspersons et al.
     

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