he wrote about athletes that contributed to society and paid for it by losing money and getting thrown in jail. like Mohammed Ali.Ali Kumbaya Keep repeating yourself with the hot meal question cause you might as well cook yourself one. Nas or Jay Z?
Wow, now, I've completely lost respect for you. First off, you're owning nobody. To own someone, you must first have a point. You don't. Also, your self-coronation as the Clutch City vigilante is rather pathetic. I don't think anybody, including Lee himself, cares that you're wasting your time on what should be a non-issue. Lee misrepresented an argument. He wasn't wrong in what he said. His post simply wasn't completely valid response given the point made at the time.
Yes he did? Now what? I have been talking about him using MLK as the measuring stick. Keep acting dumb. Is someone who volunteers to serve hot meal in the SA a contributor to society? Yes or No? Man-up and answer it.
This is MacFu's response to it. if you couldn't figure out that 1. he didn't get his point 2. wasn't exactly friendly on his response then you might as well cook yourself a hot meal
keep posting and not admit you didn't understand his point of view when he clearly said he acknowledges Yao's humanitarianism but throws out a situation on where the athlete like Yao wouldn't go as far as a MLK or Malcolm X. You know the answer that I'm never going answer your stupid question cause it has nothing to do with leebigez's point. so keep posting and start heating some stuff in the microwave or order some take out food.
I've already explained why exactly Lee's response wasn't valid. I hope you will go back and read my posts. And friendliness isn't the issue at hand.
I thought his post was valid and the point of his post got lost in the Yaofreakism. If he wants to make a statement about activism back in the day vs today then he should and its great information!
My question has everything to do with his point. His point is Yao won't become a contributor to society because what he has done is not up on par with what MLK has achieved. Is someone who volunteers to serve hot meal in the SA a contributor to society? Yes or No? Man-up and answer it.
My point has get lost in your newfanshatism. Who has tried to compare activism between back then and today? Keep trying to derailing the topic. You sound desperate now. Is someone who volunteers to serve hot meal in the SA a contributor to society? Yes or No? Man-up and answer it.
Hey you can cut and paste all if you want. it doesnt' bother me. I think it takes 5 minutes to heat up a Stovers meal. oh, big ez did compare activism. stovers or lean cuisine?
He can compare activism. Keep spinning it as you want, using MLK as the measuring stick is ridiculous. Is someone who volunteers to serve hot meal in the SA a contributor to society? Yes or No? Man-up and answer it.
If he wants to go off on a tangent and give a filibuster about why public figures today are so entangled in international politics and image, then all the power to him. But, when you use the words, "I see your point about Yao's humanitarianism, BUT it's not like he's MLK or Malcolm X," he is readily devaluing or invalidating Yao's contributions to society by placing the standard of humanitarianism at inaccessible levels. Not only is that an unfair comparison, but it grossly misrepresents Manhore's point. As I said before (and I'll say again), it's like if one person states that he admires Mother Theresa for her altruistic work, then another comes along and says, "it's not like she's Jesus Christ, who is the almighty savior of mankind." Even though it's a valid point that Mother Theresa ISN'T Jesus Christ, it's not a valid RESPONSE to the initial statement.
This post needs to be locked up, because it is pretty useless....almost like those Kobe threads. 1) Why are poster comparing Yao Ming to civil rights leaders, it makes absolutely no sense? He doesn't have to be a civil rights leader or fighter to contribute to society...people contribute to society in different ways. Whoever used that analogy was totally off-base and pushing out of the boundaries of the conversation? 2) Toughness....is relative and is measured in different ways...any person should be able to say that Yao is tougher than the average player, at least physically, he doesn't lay out with minor injuries. He doesn't shy away from contact and challenges the shot. And, he is a leader....what more can you ask for, Tim Duncan is the same way, and he is not soft. 3) Even, if Yao is soft, he's still the best center in the league....with all skills being encompassed, he is the best center in the league...get it over ...the numbers say so, the skill set compliment it the numbers, and listen to this. He has great intangibles, does dirty work, doesn't mind taking less shots, is not a diva, listens to his coaches, doesn't try to run the team, or force players out....
If leebigez sees that Yao's humanitarian work is minute on a grand scale of things and that's his OPINION. if leebigez thinks he could do more than that means he knows the Yao and other athletes are in position to make a strong influence that not many people can not make. That's why he talked about Darfur. If Yao talks about it then it would send shockwaves. he's not belittle Yao, he says Yao's position is of rare power, but he would not dare risk his money and status to do that. and this quote here is crap
God. I'm tired of this argument. You're not understanding the logic of the relevance of responses and the logical fallacy of moving the goalpost. Everything I have to say on this I've already said. Good night.
Macfu, I've never said yao couldn't be a contributor to society when he retires. I said he should do it now because its not like his contributions will come with criticism or controversy. I used mlk, malcolm x, and ali as examples of people that took all the negatives because they were standing up against the government. So yao does have to wait to make his soup kitchen tour, he can do it now. Its not like its going to be on that level. If, he retires and then speak up against china's human rights activities, then that's cowardly. Why? He's already cashed all his endosements and game checks, thus risking nothing monetary. IBM- The refs always reward the aggressor in the playoffs. That's whyBoston out physicalled la and wade lived at the line against Dallas. When those teams get physical with Yao, he can do a couple of non dirty things. The pushing, grabbing and tugging can be solved by keeping his elbows high and tight. Once he turns and opens up, okur, wallace, and others catch a bow to the face. Yeah, its a foul, but its a message. When one of those guards penetrate down the lane and jump into his body, the refs are going to call a foul. Instead of getting a tick tack psuedo charge/block, foul the guy hard and put him on the ground, no layups. Like I mentioned about dream in 95, he sent the message early by putting his shoulder in d-rob's chest. He didn't care about the foul, he was letting him know what kind of series it was going to be. By game 2 or so, dream had david demoralized. Sometimes getting a foul early in a certain way can set the tone just like getting a tech.
I do agree that Yao has to throw some elbows "accidently" to get more respect from opponents and refs on the court. However, 1. Yao may be physically not that powerful to do this kind of thing. He's tall but if getting physical he may not be able to out-muscle many NBA players. 2. Yao's not fimiliar with this physical style. He doesn't know how to control it so that it won't turn out to be a real fight.
Lee, first of all, let me tell you I respect your opinions in basketball. You are no doubt very knowledgeable in this area. This forum needs more posters like you to talk about b-ball. But, I still believe what I said about your MLK reference is correct. You made the comment when you responded to Manhore's comment that "I can actually see Yao contributing to society after he retires" and you have even quoted him on it. I think anyone with the right state of mind would know you were arguing against his statement. So either you have quoted the wrong post, derailed from the topic or you really disagreed with he said about Yao being a contributor to society (which you are denying now). I guess whoever reading this thread can be his own judge.
