Bandwagon loud???...but the Oilers fans were "authentic" loud?? Ummmm...Oilers fans didn't show up for a lot of losing seasons, texanskan. Current Astros fans have that all over Oiler fans.
I was talking about last season, I am upset they did not win a world series but yes the Astros run from 97-05 was very nice for the baseball fans in this town
yes...let's disregard the previous 9 seasons and focus intensely on the one that sucked. in fact, let's make sure we only sign supermodel-dating flairsters.
Max, give up. There's no reasoning with "flair". You said it best: remember, the Astros would be more interesting if someone would date a model. Or a Rockets power dancer. This thread is a waste. I shouldn't have clicked--I know I won't keep my mouth shut. To quote 10% of Jim Rome's droning drivel: "I'm out".
you're stealing my thunder, max But yeah.. this thread has gotten to the point where I don't think it's really arguable anymore. If someone is seriously trying to argue that attitude, flair, and being in the limelight is what will make these teams better.. I don't know--that's just so incredibly ridiculous and illogical that there's no good argument. I mean, we've already made the arguments.. but they're so obvious that anyone would know them already. Continuing to argue the point is just being blind to the facts I guess?
I love that at the base of all this, your minimum expectations are an 80-85 win team.. and yet you've already resigned us to a losing season in DECEMBER, with the GM's just starting to make moves. Take lessons from Smacktle?
there is no point to argue this, I did not mean for this thread to end up this way and I don't really care how we win as long as we do. Back on point Mr. McNair is a great owner, people that he has hired have not gotten it done so far. We need better results Mr. Alexander is a pretty good owner, he has his issues but he always goes for the homerun. Dream was here but he brought us Clyde/Barkley/Pippen/T-Mac. Yao fell in his lap and even though we have not seen results he went for it on draft day with Francis and Griffen. Same thing we have not won a playoff series in a long time so "it's time" to win Drayton, not good not bad but the best the Astros have ever had. He has done good things like bring Clemens and Pettitte home, keep Biggio and Bagwell lifetime Astros and bring Nolan back to the Astros but he has also done some crazy stuff like let players walk over a small gap in money or an extra year, not sign picks and trim payroll going into a new ballpark. Bottom line without Gerry and with the hometown discounts back in New York things are coming apart and we need better results/direction.
this is the dumbest thread i've ever read; you want guys dotting the pages of US weekly - have at it. there's no way possible for me to care less about such meaningless, trivial **** as who a player is dating. let's see where jeter is after his 20th ML season. when biggio was jeter's current age (33), his career OPS+ was 124; his ob% was .381 (including 4 seasons of .400+); his slg% was .437 (including 2 years of .500+). overall, his OPS was .818. he had also won silver slugger awards at two different positions and missed exactly 36 games during the entire 1990s. his career best line reads: .325/.415/.503; 26/88; 50 SB; 146 Rs jeter: .349/.438/.552; 24/102; 34 SB; 134 Rs. i don't think i'm underrating jeter at all by putting him in biggio's class, nor is he definitively "better." biggio would have been mr. yankee times infinity plus 12 if he had done for the yankees what he instead did for the astros in his first 11 years. they would have LOVED biggio, every bit as much as they love jeter; not to mention the fact he was from that area.
what discount did he give roger freaking clemens? he paid the guy (roughly) $35M for 2.5 seasons, PLUS gave him a lifetime services contract which i doubt is paying him minimum wage. bagwell, berkman, pettitte, oswalt and lee were all signed at or above market value. sure, kent and biggio took less, but who cares if he got these guys at a dscount price - why is that an issue? more importantly, why is it a negative issue? would you denigrate him if he landed alex rodriguez but didn't pay the yankees' going rate for prospects in return? "yeah, yeah - so we got johan santana; but screw mcclane - he only sent them luke scott and trevor miller's elbow." it's insane. if you're drawing top-flight talent to your team - and the astros are - that, a million times beyond a dollar figure, speaks much more about the state of your franchise, ESPECIALLY if you're landing these players cheaply.
I hear this kind of complaining from time to time. The fact is, Houston fans just ain't the "long-suffering" type. If a team is playing like crap, Houstonians simply don't get their nuts in a twist. They just talk about something else besides sports. It's pretty simple, really. When a team starts winning big, when the good times start rolling, then everyone takes time out to enjoy it. That's just the flavor of sports fandom in Houston. I understand how it bums some "diehard" (obsessed) fans out, but it has its advantages. I mean, Jesus, is there anything sadder than a die-hard Cubs fan? These people are devoting that much time and emotion to the CUBS? Well I can't tell you that's such a great decision, sirs. When sports-love starts running wild you have a situation like in South Oklahoma where these people actually act like the Cowboys are going to win the Super Bowl every year. It's pathetic, man. I really believe that. I don't derive my sense of civic pride from Houston sports. I live in Houston because I like Houston and I want to live here. I'm not owed a Super Bowl trophy for making that choice.
This may be a bit off topic, but I noticed that you became a member in February of '06....and you already have almost 3000 posts. How does someone do that? I guess I am one of those odd people that never thinks I have anything earth shattering to add. Carry on my wayward son.
I have no problems being a die hard Houston fan. Maybe because my fandom is based more on loyalty than success. I just enjoy rooting for the hometown team. I'll try to watch other games that don't involve a Houston team and it just isn't the same. Honestly, I don't understand how people root for a team other than their home team. There is no positive gain when I see the Spurs win or the Colts win. But when the Rockets or Texans win, I feel great! They could never win a championship or make the playoffs ever again, and I'd still try to catch every Rockets/Texans game. If the Rockets or Texans weren't Houston teams, I wouldn't give a damn about them.
Haha, nice find. It's no fun for him now that he can't whine! P.S. Maybe the Tejada E:60 controversy was the "flair" this team needed.
No scoreboard post at all. Was actually thinking more about attendance. Noting these sellouts early and thinking that this team is going to get to 3 million fans again. Having said that...the Astros are already tons better than many in the national media and here thought. In looking through these old threads I was reminded of one writer who suggested the Astros had the worst all around talent of any team in the majors. The doom and gloomers who came in and shared with us this franchise would never be competitive again for another 5 years or so while they build up a minor league system were just flat wrong. Which is ok, because I'm flat wrong about a lot, too. I'm just really glad they're wrong.
