Yeah, Chad Johnson's "badass" streak and swagger and attitude has clearly brought the world to the Bengals..
2005 real quick: Carpenter / Roy ERA+: 149 / 144 SO: 213 / 184 WHIP: 1.055 / 1.204 IP: 241.7 / 241.7 Wins: 21 / 20 2006: Webb / Roy (stats the same in order) 152 / 149 178 / 166 1.132 / 1.169 235 / 220.7 16 / 15 Looks to me that he got beat by a pitcher who was a little better both years.
2006 I agree. But in 2005, it was clearly about the sex appeal of Carpenter's facial hair which made him have a little more attitude and badassness in the minds of the voters. And THAT is what draws the fans in St. Louis and increases winning. Someone make a graph!
I'm pretty sure you are kidding, but just in case, I want to point out that Carpenter was slightly better than Oswalt that year.
WTF ever try rooting for a 1-13 Oiler team or follow them through 30+ years of failure. The Texans have not been around long enough to truly suffer. DD
Yes, I am well aware.....but expansion teams take a long time to get there, especially when you have Charlie Casserly screwing things up for 4+ years. They are getting there, next year they will be even better. DD
The point of this thread is I love all my teams but I will start watching at home on my HD big screen if I don't see results because I am not getting my money's worth. As of this second expectations/min standard Rockets-win a title, anything less than the west final I will be disapointed Texans (2008) go to playoffs/win atleast 9 games Astros (2008) win 85 games/win 80 and start re-building the farm system
I don't think so, I'm pissed when I go out and I hear "Astros suck" "Texans suck" "Rockets won't win a title with Yao" or "Rockets won't win a title with T-Mac" it is the wrong attitude how about everyone getting pissed off that we are a major town with a title drought. Chicago won a world series this decade and got to a super bowl. New York has won world sereis titles this decade, LA has won NBA titles and a world series. I want mine, we are not Seattle/Cleveland/Milwawkee we are a major international city with the second most fortune 500 companies and the best stadiums so we should freaking have titles to show for it and atleast be in the mix every season in something. Houston should be the big boy taking lunch money not some underdog
Not enough "flair", "attitude", "fireyiness", "heart", "WILL to WIN", "desire", "IT", "swagger", "badassiness", etc. in our town. Perhaps we should set all the guys up with Rockets powerdancers.
This thread is just awkward at this point. I can't argue "flair." Remember..the Astros would be more interesting if someone would date a model. They already put 3 million fans in the seats with the old hags they're all dating and married to now. But man....we'd be up around 3.5 million if we could just get them dating someone hotter.
I think sports fans in this town need to expect more, we are too nice on these guys. Now Phili is the other extreme, they need to chill out a little but Houston needs to become a little tougher on it's owners/athletes and on each other to make more noise and be more of a home field advantage. Do ya'll remember the "house of pain" even with all the Steelers fans that one game a year the Oilers fans made it known it was gonna be hard to come into our house and play
My honest opinion is that the Rockets are the only franchise that have an owner that wants to win and a front office capable of making things happen. With the Astros, I strongly feel that McLane wants to win, but only wants to win enough to keep the franchise profitable. When he chose not to go all out and add the missing bat or two when we had a pitching rotation of a lifetime, it told me everything. After watching the last few years, they have to win me back as a consumer. I believe that 30% of sports franchises have this "we do whatever we have to do to win enough" mentality, and it sucks as a fan when you see that. I think another 30% just try to be sure they do enough business and the postseason is a superfluous thing (see: Bills, Buffalo; Pirates, Pittsburgh; and Clippers, LA). I think McNair honestly wants to make the Texans champs, but that he makes seriously poor decisions that hamper the chances of our doing anything. The triple-C gang needed to leave by year 4 at the latest, but McNair held on far too tight and set us back at least 3 years. Thankfully, he allowed Dan Reeves influence. I think they're back on the right track, but it's bitter knowing that we had to go back from scratch so soon as a franchise. All that said, demanding a title from your hometown guys is asking to be let down. It's just not a gift the franchise can pick up for you at JC Pennys. Championships require aligned planets and the front office can only do so much to bring things together. A lot of the times you need that HOF legend to fall into your lap through luck, the right mix of guys having the right mindset, and plenty of luck with the schedule, injuries, and career years. As an analogy, you can want to be married to your perfect spouse all you want. You can be great at getting dates and doing the right things. But you're going to be far more dependent on blind luck and sheer grace. I just need to know my teams are committed up and down to building a true contender. I believe two of the teams in town are. Evan
And do you remember how loud MMP was in the 04 and 05 playoffs??? The players felt it was a considerable home field advantage.
your missing the point, fans don't want to hear well we lost but I still have my wife and kids to go back to (David Carr) they want to hear I will be here all day everyday till we get it right. Biggio is my all time favorite baseball player but I don't want to hear we will keep coming to the park and plugging away. I want to hear this losing has got to stop at all cost
and yet they haven't won a playoff series in a decade??? i can't believe people feel this way. a team makes the WS 2 years ago in a sport where only 8/32 make the playoffs. the other failed to make the playoffs way too often in the past decade...in a sport where more teams make the playoffs than don't....and hasn't won a playoff series in a decade....and that owner CLEARLY has a bigger commitment to winning than the other??? seriously, that makes no sense to me.
what losing??? the astros were among the most winning clubs in all of baseball over the past 10 years or so. did you say that in 1998 when they won 102 games?? or in 99 when they won their 3rd straight division titles?? were you tired of all the losing when they won their first playoff series in 2004?? or when they won the pennant in 05...JUST TWO YEARS AGO!!?? seriously. i'm not sure we're even talking about the same thing. i'm talking winning/losing...you're talking about flair. chad johnson has flair...i don't see the bengals being that hot.
it was real loud but it was also bandwagon loud, I expect that place to be pretty quiet next season without a winner or Biggio setting milestones. I yell my tail off at everything I go to and other than those two Astros playoff runs/Rockets for around 4-5 years (I was too young to remember the fans in the 80s runs) and the Oilers games. Texans atmosphere was great the first three years but has been up and down since then.
