I believe the most we can sign Shandon for is about 6mill. That would put us over the cap space and there for we would have to include something else like another player or the trade exception we received from the Hakeem trade to make the deal work.
Damn! We need Rice like we don't need another big man. Please Rockets, I think we're ok at 3... so please lets look at 5, or 4 hell look at the 1 position for all I care, but why, why, why we need another 3? Let it please be one of those crazy deals that nets us the big dude we need.... i am....
Sending Glen Rice to Chicago makes good sense because that team definitely needs a shooter. The Bulls have athleticism but no real outside threats (Eddie Robinson, kinda, but not really). How much cap room have they got? Who would they send us? Hmn.... Shandon + Cato = Rice + Othella? Separate deal: Walt + Toronto pick = Jahidi White?
Ya know, at first when I saw this deal, I was freakin' out thinking Glen Rice would be a HORRIBLE move. But "the Cat" and "Ziggy" have convinced me -- I don't say "go for it", but if that's the way things go, I'll take it and be happy. I think it sucks for us defensively, but offensively, it could really help spacing, and we could potentially run the pick and roll effectively. I have always liked the idea of bringing Shandon off the bench -- I feel that he's got the stuff to be an awesome 6th man, in the vein of Aaron McKie last season, but better. At Utah, I don't know how many games we lost because he provided an awesome spark from the bench to give the Spazz an advantage. I feel that Shandon probably sees his role diminishing even more on this team, and he wants to play more and have a bigger part. Here, he's not the best SG, not the best SF, and he may not get many minutes as a backup at all. Rudy plays the 3 guard rotation an awful lot (Moochie, Steve, Cat), and he loves the lineup of Moochie, Steve and Cat at the same time, which leaves no room for Shandon. However, with this offense, Glen Rice could probably break the Mooch, Cat, Wink lineup and it'd be "Steve, Cat, Rice, Griffin, Taylor" at numerous intervals. That lineup could score forever. I can't say that I'd like Rice here, but I wouldn't mind it too much if he were to arrive. I really liked his game in Charlotte, and as long as his wife stays quiet, I think we'd fine.
Attention - all posters believing the Rockets will aquire Rice to package him for a center please read this. Both the Rockets' and the Knicks' most pressing need is a 5. The Rockets as an upgrade for Cato and the Knicks to move Camby to his more natural and effective NBA PF position. If there is any NBA team willing to part with a servicable 5 for Glen Rice, why wouldn't the Knicks pull the trigger on their own? The best the Knicks could hope for is that SA is $2m to $3m cheaper than Rice - and they are still way over the LTax. SA may initially cost less, but his contract will run longer. All this for Alan Houston's backup? Again, my point is - please demonstrate for me how a Rice deal with the Rockets does more for the Knicks than they can do for themselves (as in addressing big man needs).
When all is said and done, I don't think Rice wears a Rockets Uni to start the year. If we get him, I think we deal him, but..... Let's think from another team's perspective what it would be like to have guard the triop of Steve, Cat, and Rice. That's pretty nightmarish. Once Golden State had run TMC, with Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond, and Chris Mullin. This could be run SCG..... Even though the mix intrigues me, I don't feel that's the move that Rockets management will go for long term. If we do this deal, I still think Rice gets shipped. Maybe we get an overpaid, but upgrade of a center, out the ensuing deal that matches Rices contract. Well time will tell.... or before time hopefully Pops.
Cat, Spin it how you want but it doesn't make sense to have Walt Williams, Matt Bullard, and Glen Rice on the same team. How many outside gunners do you need, considering that neither can play a lick of defense or do anything besides shoot? I agree that Shandon did not fit the team well, but neither does Rice. If the whole idea behind lowballing Hakeem was to get younger and not tie up cap space for the forseeable future, then how the hell does acquiring Rice's near MAX contract accomplish these goals? What exactly does Rice do that Walt Williams does not? This trade would just be beyond stupid.
those of you convinced that rice is going elsewhere aren't paying attn. to clutch's frustration. btw, what's the biggest joke that could occur for the rockets this summer? Hint: It involves malarkey about a wuv fest w/ your free agents, and then loosing them instead of pursuing Chris Webber. btw2, my sources' sources tell me that we're pursuing Rice just b/c Rudy wants to make it absolutely clear to DaDakota that he likes the SF position.
This is a little depressing...NOT that the guy hasn't got some ability, just that he complains everywhere he's not the No. 1 about not getting enough shots, and when he was no. 1 (Charlotte) he complained about too much pressure...Sounds like a guy you definitley want on your team....And, for those saying Camby, why on earth would NY give their only good young inside guy up for Shandon Anderson!?!?!? And, no, I disagree with the post claiming that in getting Rice you're at least getting trade value...NY's been looking to dump him forever, with few legit offers...Why would we want to add that to our team!?!?
... and I'm confident CD would pull some trigger on this deal (maybe a 3-way) ... CD is a smart old freak! (except handling Hakeem maybe ... :O )
Rice destinations? <b>Knicks</b> Trying to rid themselves of him <b>Boston</b> Already have Pierce and Walker....Rice not needed <b>Philly</b> No "D" in Rice, pass on that. <b>Charlotte</b> Been there and done that <b>Miami</b> Trying to cut payroll, pass. <b>Wizards</b> Trying to dump salary, pass. <b>Orlando</b> Hill, Miller, TMac.........pass. <b>Atlanta</b> Have SAR and Terry to shoot.....pass. <b>Cavs</b> Extra Big People.....maybe. <b>Pacers</b> Have Reggie and youth movement..pass. <b>Pistons</b> Have Stackhouse and thin at 5.......no help. <b>Twolves</b> Have Smith and Garnett et al in front court.....pass <b>Bulls</b> Maybe.....a few big bodies <b>Bucks</b> Sam, Big Dog & Allen........Rice redundant.....pass <b>Memphis</b> Battier & Gasol.....pass <b>Dallas</b> Finley, Dirk & Howard..nothing extra at the 5....pass <b>Spurs</b> Just took on one aging gunner..nothing extra at the 5....pass <b>Denver</b> If the coach got rubbed with LaFrentz....trying to imagine Rice on that team.....still would give it a shot for LaFrentz and throw lots of draft picks. NY could and would deal direct for LaFrentz if Denver would take Rice. <b>Phoenix</b> Marbury, Googs, Penny..........no shots for Rice........pass <b>Utah</b> Rebuild approaching, Rice makes little sense........no help at the 5 <b>Lakers</b> Been there done that.....pass <b>Clippers</b> On the way up with youth movement.......pass and no help at the 5. <b>GS</b> No.........unless Swopa tells us otherwise. <b>Kings</b> OK at the 2/3 with youngsters.........pass <b>Blazers</b> Trying to get younger and no help at the 5 <b>Seattle</b> Rashard would flip out...........................pass Very few options on teams interested in Rice and also have a 5 to trade. If Rice and picks could obtain LaFrentz + plenty of filler, NY would be smart to make the deal themselves. If somebody can name a team that has extra help at the 5 and is also interested in Rice that I missed, speak up. Mango
I hate Rice, but dont you have to think if they really do this that Rudy T, as much as he hates the new zone D, is going to just put Rice, Cat, Steve, Bull and either Griffin or Mo T out there, and sit in the zone. I mean a cardboard cutout of Shandon brings more D to the game than Glen Rice. I dont like the sound of this one. Would personally rater see Shandon go for nothing and sign Marc Jackson.
This hasn't happened yet, but if it does... Rice IS one of the best SFs and a pure shooter, something of great value as the new zone rules come into effect. We may have a lot of 3's, but none of them as good as Rice, at least not now. We would have a high scoring offense with Francis, Mobely, Rice and Taylor, and some real depth with Griffin, Thomas and Morris, especially for defense. Our team would be better THIS year. If we plan to keep him, I think this signals that we've worked out a deal for Williams, perhaps with the Wizards for Jahidi White. If so, our team would definitely be improved, and then have tradeable pieces to get a good center next year. Cato/White/Collier Taylor/Griffin/Thomas/Bullard Rice/Morris Mobely/Langhi Francis/Norris But it sure does make more sense that he is part of a trade, either now or in the future for that center piece we need to complete our rebuilding. He certainly is a more tradeable commodity than the other pieces we've had to offer, especially if we through in draft picks or young players, such as Thomas. I would also assume this would mean we already have Norris locked up before doing a S&T, because if I understand this correctly, Rice's contract would eat up our cap, reducing our ability to sign Moochie.
Assuming just a two way trade between NY & Houston, here's 2 trades that work on RealGM: Trade #1: Houston sends Shandon($5 mill)/Cato to NY. NY sends Rice/Othella to Houston. This eats $5.2 mill of our $10.25 mill in cap space. We could then get Miller from Chicago for the Drew obligation/KT. NY could move Camby to the PF spot & play Cato at center. (This trade's just wishfull thinking on my part.) Trade #2: Houston sends KT/Walt/Shandon($5 mill) to NY. NY sends Rice/Othella to Houston. This eats $5.3 mill of our $10.25 mill in cap space. We could then trade Cato/Drew obligation to Chicago for Miller/Ruffin/Voskuhl. We could then waive Ruffin/Voskuhl if Chicago wanted them back. This trade would net us almost $600,000 in new cap space, which would leave us about $5.6 mill under the cap with just Moochie/Bull/T-Mo to sign. Hey, I like my trades. Now, if only someone else did also.
I wonder why OP hasn't popped in on this thread with some input? He mentioned something about Curry from Chicago in another thread. I wonder if he could be in some packaged deal somewhere?
The only way I could possibly see any sense in this deal is if something else is lined up alongside. If the rumored Walt for Jahidi White trade were to go down, then Rice replaces Walt, and we have our defensive enforcer for the middle in White. And when you look at the differences between contracts of Jahidi White + Glen Rice versus Walt Williams + Shandon Anderson, then the difference is really only 4-5 mil or so. That 4-5 mil could be important, but it is not life or death. The only major problem I forsee is the length of the contracts. Rice gets 3 more years, and White gets 4 or 5 more. Granted, if White turned out to be the rebounding, shot-blocking guy we need in the middle, then 4-5 mil for him for 4 more years is not a bad situation. But if not, then we have another overpaid center, and an albatross contract (Rice) hanging around our necks, leaving little to <b>no</b> room to maneuver for a better C. This is a ridiculous trade, no matter how you cut it. Of course, it would all be solved if the damn Rockets org. would just refuse to sign Shandon at all (which I have been saying all along). The risks are far too great. If we keep the cap space, it leaves much more safe options open for the future. If it bothered everyone to have a big contract guy like Cato not pulling his weight, imagine having a guy making $10 mil sitting on the bench. Break out the tear gas! Bad stuff, man. Bad stuff...
I don't think there's any way the Rockets do this deal if they don't have a secondary deal already in place involving 1 of their other SF's. If we didn't trade any of our SF's and got Rice, we'd have freaking 6 SF's! What kind of stupid ass roster management would that be?!? So I see a Walt for C (on a team that wants capspace) deal going down after this trade with Rice. If we could maybe get White, then I won't be that upset about Rice. If we're stuck with no new C after this offseason, and we added Glen Rice, then I'll be very disappointed. Please tell me we can get White for Walt... Cato/White/Collier Taylor/Thomas Rice/Griffin/Tmo Mobley/Langhi/Tmo Francis/Moochie IR - Bullard I wouldn't be too upset if our lineup looked like this after the offseason. God I hope there's another deal going down... Edit: Damn Raven, you just beat me with that post...
