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It's been a while-the implications of several new Wikileaks revelations.

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  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    Well with the news coming out today that Wikileaks is about to reveal out war in Antarctica against intergalactic invaders, I wonder if we've finally found a war Dennis Kucinich will get on board with!

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  2. rocketsjudoka

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    Another article regarding the mixed nature of Wikileaks. My opinion of them is that what they are doing is in principle good but I still have some concerns over how they have gone about their information release. On the positive side there is no evidence yet that anyone has been directly harmed by being revealed in Wikileaks but there is that possibility as they did release the names of Afghans who have cooperated with US forces and also the names of people in other sensitive situations. To Wikileaks credit they did offer to work with DOD to redact names and it sounds like they are working with other media to redact names.

    I have highlighted some key segments.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40958744/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times

    U.S. cautions people named in cable leaks
    Some moved to safer locations following WikiLeaks revelations

    WASHINGTON — The State Department is warning hundreds of human rights activists, foreign government officials and businesspeople identified in leaked diplomatic cables of potential threats to their safety and has moved a handful of them to safer locations, administration officials said Thursday.

    The operation, which involves a team of 30 in Washington and embassies from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe, reflects the administration’s fear that the disclosure of cables obtained by the organization WikiLeaks has damaged American interests by exposing foreigners who supply valuable information to the United States.

    Administration officials said they were not aware of anyone who has been attacked or imprisoned as a direct result of information in the 2,700 cables that have been made public to date by WikiLeaks, The New York Times and several other publications, many with some names removed. But they caution that many dissidents are under constant harassment from their governments, so it is difficult to be certain of the cause of actions against them.
    The officials declined to discuss details about people contacted by the State Department in recent weeks, saying only that a few were relocated within their home countries and that a few others were moved abroad.

    The State Department is mainly concerned about the cables that have yet to be published or posted on Web sites — nearly 99 percent of the archive of 251,287 cables obtained by WikiLeaks. With cables continuing to trickle out, they said, protecting those identified will be a complex, delicate and long-term undertaking. The State Department said it had combed through a majority of the quarter-million cables and distributed many to embassies for review by diplomats there.

    “We feel responsible for doing everything possible to protect these people,” said Michael H. Posner, the assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights and labor, who is overseeing the effort. “We’re taking it extremely seriously.”

    Contrary to the administration’s initial fears, the fallout from the cables on the diplomatic corps itself has been manageable. The most visible casualty so far could be Gene A. Cretz, the ambassador to Libya, who was recalled from his post last month after his name appeared on a cable describing peculiar personal habits of the Libyan leader, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi. While no decision has been made on Mr. Cretz’s future, officials said he was unlikely to return to Tripoli. In addition, one midlevel diplomat has been moved from his post in an undisclosed country.
    But other senior diplomats initially considered at risk — for example, the ambassador to Russia, John R. Beyrle, whose name was on cables critical of Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin — appeared to have weathered the disclosures.

    There is anecdotal evidence that the disclosure of the cables has chilled daily contacts between human rights activists and diplomats. An American diplomat in Central Asia said recently that one Iranian contact, who met him on periodic trips outside Iran, told him he would no longer speak to him. Sarah Holewinski, executive director of the Campaign for Innocent Victims in Conflict, said people in Afghanistan and Pakistan had become more reluctant to speak to human rights investigators for fear that what they said might be made public.

    WikiLeaks came under fire from human rights organizations last July, after it released a large number of documents about the war in Afghanistan without removing the names of Afghan citizens who had assisted the American military. When it later released documents about the Iraq war, the group
    stripped names from the documents.
    A Pentagon spokesman, Maj. Chris Perrine, said Thursday that the military was not aware of any confirmed case of harm to anyone as a result of being named in the Afghan war documents. But he noted that the Taliban had said it would study the WikiLeaks documents to punish collaborators with the Americans.


    State Department officials believe that a wide range of foreigners who have spoken candidly to American diplomats could be at risk if publicly identified. For example, a businessman who spoke about official corruption, a gay person in a society intolerant of homosexuality or a high-ranking government official who criticized his bosses could face severe reprisals, the officials said.

    Human rights advocates share the State Department’s concern that many people could be at risk if cables become public without careful redaction. “There are definitely people named in the cables who would be very much endangered,” said Tom Malinowski, Washington director for Human Rights Watch.

    In one case, Mr. Malinowski said, the State Department asked Human Rights Watch to inform a person in a Middle Eastern country that his exchanges with American diplomats had been reported in a cable.
    In addition to The Times, The Guardian, Le Monde, El País and Der Spiegel have had the entire cable database for several months. The Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten said last month that it had obtained the entire collection, and newspapers in several other countries have obtained a selection of cables relating to their regions.

    WikiLeaks’s founder, Julian Assange, has said the group will continue to release additional cables on its own Web site as well, though to date it has moved cautiously and has reproduced the redactions made by newspapers publishing the cables.

    Government officials are also worried that foreign intelligence services may be trying to acquire the cable collection, a development that would heighten concerns about the safety of those named in the documents.

    For human rights activists in this country, disclosures by WikiLeaks, which was founded in 2006, have been a decidedly mixed development. Amnesty International gave WikiLeaks an award in 2009 for its role in revealing human rights violations in Kenya. Human Rights Watch wrote to President Obama last month to urge the administration not to pursue a prosecution of WikiLeaks or Mr. Assange.

    But they are concerned that the cables could inflict their own kind of collateral damage, either by endangering diplomats’ sources or discouraging witnesses and victims of abuses from speaking to foreign supporters.


    Sam Zarifi, director of Amnesty International’s operations in Asia, said the cables had provided valuable “empirical information” on abuses in several countries. “This is a new way to distribute information,” Mr. Zarifi said. “We just want to make sure it has the same safeguards as traditional journalism.”
     
  3. rhadamanthus

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    Extremely interesting article on the complicated relationship between Assange and the papers doing the publishing. Assange continues to really come off as a giant *******.

    Excerpt (Assange threatens to sue the Guardian):
     
  4. justtxyank

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    I'm very disappointed that nobody was amused by Dennis Kucinich joke. :(
     
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    A lot of judicial pressure being applied by the State Department isn't there? So far, we've seen CIA agents escape from having to deal with the consequences of well, kidnapping and torturing the wrong guy...twice. Now yet another case of America covering up her tracks-there's a consistent theme here that Americans in the line of war seem to receive special privileges, which can't play well with those who believe in justice.
     
  6. rhadamanthus

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    The EFF has a good piece on how wikileaks serves a useful function.
     
  7. rhadamanthus

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    A useful illustration of the media's wikileaks hypocrisy:

    The Guardian slams wikileaks for releasing cables re: Zimbabwe that possibly endangered it's PM, but then had to sheepishly edit the scathing editorial to reflect that the actual publisher of the wikileaks data was ummm....the Guardian.

     
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  9. Northside Storm

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    and so what you reap, is what you sow
     
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    Just awesome.
     
  11. rhadamanthus

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    Vaguely related to the wikileaks situation, techdirt has posted a list of companies that support censoring the internet of sites they don't like without due process courtesy of the grossly unconstitutional COICA.
     
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    justtxyank is yet another person harmed by Wikileaks. When will it stop! :mad:
     
  14. Northside Storm

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    It's ironic that Wikileaks may foster more Arab democracy then two wars and trillions of dollars down the drain-at zero cost to the American government!

    I think the State Department owes Manning and co big time.
     
  15. rhadamanthus

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    Of course, neither of those wars had anything to do with establishing democracy...
     
  16. Space Ghost

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    Something we both can agree upon.
     
  17. rhadamanthus

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    Wikileaks: US officials seem to think Saudi Arabia is "overpromising" on oil capacity. Now that's interesting...
     
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    but we don't actually want arab democracy, because arab democracy runs counter to our interests. what we want is a strong oligarchic or authoritarian regime that we can pay off/bribe to serve our own ends.
     
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    Oh man. I'm down with the cause, but those are teh suck.

    I'm really going to sport a big earnest Assange face on my body. Or a tiny quote by George Orwell.
     

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