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It's absurd, it's ashame, it's kobe

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ths balla, May 13, 2004.

  1. Htownhero

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    Do some research on rape and the motivation for it before making a statement like this. Rape is rarely about "getting laid".
     
  2. Easy

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    Nobody is condemning him for getting a disease. But he got the disease through a lifestyle he freely chose. I don't see any heroism in there. And Magic got it through heterosexual intercourse. He didn't have the gay stigma as Hank's character. Beside, Magic had all the money and power to wield--very different from the movie.
     
  3. Deuce

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    Brilliant article by Jason Whitlock! Finally a slap in the face to the media that has been kissing Bryant's ass for some time now.

    If I have to see another video of him in court, him coming to the arena in a limo, him riding on a golf cart to the locker room etc etc, I am going to puke.

    BTW, I dont have a beef with Kobe perse. I am not really a Kobe hater. But I dont like the way the MEDIA is so quick to continually jam down our throats Kobe's couragous and amazing efforts of going from the court room to the basketball court. Enough already!

    Enough of the Laker Media circus! Less of that and more media coverage of other teams like the Pacers, Wolves, Spurs etc is a good thing. The NBA world doesn't revolve around the Lakers. There is plent of good talent on other teams that needs to be featured more.
     
  4. nyquil82

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    if anything, kobe has raised the price on cheating from a dozen roses to a 2 million dollar pink diamond ring. if 75 or 65% of guys care, only .000001 percent of them can actually afford the new ante.
     
  5. ZRB

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    Kobe could have almost any woman he wanted. I maintain that he would not need to rape someone to get off. I think the DA is just trying to get some attention to the previously unknown town of Eagle, Colorado.

    As for Kobe being a hero. The impressive thing is that he can handle the stress of appearing in court and flying back with minutes to spare, and still be able to put up 40+ points and win the game. No matter what the reason, that is bloody amazing.
     
  6. Mr. Mooch

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    It was $4 million. :(

    ZRB, you seem to be the most close-minded, stuborn individual when it comes to this case. It's not that he didn't need to rape someone because he's god, it's that he possibly had anal sex with a girl and she asked him to stop because it hurt. Is that rape?

    I think so.
     
  7. ZRB

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    I thought anal sex was ruled out. But is what you described rape? Maybe, but I don't think it calls for 4-20 years or 20-life on probation.

    Anyway, I'm just sick and tired of seeing these white hicks taking down rich and successful black men. Eagle looks like a white trash wasteland to me. I just don't think Kobe Bryant is a rapist. It's not like I've always been a big fan of his. During the title run I hated his guts. There's just something about this case that makes me think it's bullsh*t.
     
  8. Htownhero

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    What you can't seem to get through your head is that whether he could have any woman he wanted or not is not a motivating factor in most rapes. I'm not saying the guy did it, what I am saying is that the "he's rich and famous" defense you seem to be stuck on is complete bull****.

    As far as this goes

    Thats some of the most racist garbage thats been posted on here in a while. "White hicks"..."White trash"??? What, you couldn't find a way to sneak in "White Devil"?
     
  9. MadMax

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    so rich attractive young men never rape anyone?

    damn, the defense would LOVE to have you on the jury.

    as for your cheating arguments...of course people cheat...of course they do....but we don't have to pat it on the back.
     
  10. Nuggets4

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    YEEEEEEEEE-HAW! All we do is we ride them horsies around until the cows are goods to go and then the pigs, well, them pigs squeel too much. Good thing we got that black fella to screw over because we be all out of entertainment in this here town.

    :rolleyes:

    Give me a break ZRB. Normally I like your posts, but you're really full of it on this one.
     
  11. sup123

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    your hero was treated for exhaustion, so i guess he cant handle it after all. http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~29583~2147444,00.html
     
  12. bnb

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    Some have suggested that the fact that Kobe could have (almost) any woman he wanted, may have made him more likely not to accept 'no.' We'll never really know. (Not trying to imply he is guilty -- just that it is a possibility).

    And Magic was a hero for publicly coming out about having contracted a disease that had a huge stigma attached to it. Not a hero for getting the disease -- but a hero for acknowledging, publicly, that he had it. The Philadelphia reference is not far off.
     
  13. Easy

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    I don't know how Magic could have NOT come out about having the disease, being who he is. Coming out before it was exposed is a smart, but not heroic, thing to do.
     
  14. jlaw718

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    Umm. OK. I'm now dumber for reading this post.

    Whether he is guilty or not is obviously a fact issue for a jury to decide.

    Previously you mentioned you didn't think Kobe could be guilty because he, umm, didn't have to rape to get laid? Really.... but Mike Tyson did? Do you think the heavyweight champ who used to be married to Robin Givens back in the day had to scrounge around to get a girl? Are you serious?? Using your logic and extrapolating it to Tyson, why did he do it then? Oh, wait, I forgot, the black victim was probably lying, and the evidence was probably tainted, and the jury was probably wrong...... what about William Kennedy Smith? Yeah, there is another case of a wealthy black man being charged with sexual assault ....oh, crap, he's white.:rolleyes: Be judicious and selective when you start using race to carpetbomb issues like this. Otherwise, credibility is lost.

    Your ignorant diatribe just makes all of us who have to fight prejudice in our daily lives lose credibility when we have to stand up against actual racial injustice.

    Are you suggesting the case wouldn't have been filed if it had been, say, a white player?! Are you saying that the case would have been rejected by the DA's Office if Kobe had been white?! Are you insane, ignorant, or both?

    I hope your intellectually challenged posts won't affect your Mensa status :rolleyes:, but since I have a little bit of time let me break things down for you before you keep embarrasing yourself:

    First, this 'victim' (don't know if she's telling the truth or not -- that's for a jury to decide) files a complaint with the police department. An investigator is assigned to the case and intitially assesses if there is an indicia of evidence to proceed. The case is filed with the DA's Office, where an intake prosecutor reads the complaint, the offense report, and the statements to see if what the 'victim' says happened meets the elements of a crime (of course, here if what the 'victim' says is true then it's sexual assault..again *IF* it's true...). So now the DA's Office has a serious allegation made from real victim. Unless she recants her story or there are serious holes in it, the DA's Office must proceed accordingly and let the system play out. Ask yourself, "What if what she say's is true really happened"? If you are the DA, are you supposed to dismiss a case arbitrarily when you have a living, breathing, crying victim telling you something awful happened to her??? Have you ever dealt with victims of crime? I have. And it's not easy. You try looking a child in the face and explaining to them that there is a chance a jury will find reasonable doubt regarding the step-dad that sexually abused her because it's her word against his (thank the Lord we pled that case right before the jury came back hung!). My point is, as long as you have a credible victim (and that's a judgment call the investigator and the DA have to make), you must proceed. Otherwise you are not protecting the people you took an oath to protect. Then it's up to a jury. Bottom line.


    As for your racial comments, do you think thats cute? Does that make you feel any better? Do you think that it's acceptable?

    I have to be intellectually honest here. I can't condone you saying those things just because I don't fit into that demographic. Just because you didn't say 'crack houses' or 'projects' doesn't mean I should not be offended. We should ALL be offended at any disparaging racial comments such as the
    the ones you made. No matter if it targets our race or not.

    Don't drink and type. Next time you get an intellectually-neutered 'epiphany', put the scotch down and slowly back away from the keyboard.

    Buh-bye.
     
  15. ZRB

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    If you can't see that Bryant and Mike Tyson are completely different types of people, then you're blind.

    Bryant is not stupid enough to rape someone, and I think it's pretty clear he's not insane. This is just an attention grabber for Hickton, USA.
     
  16. sup123

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    Hmm, do you personally know bryant or something. You say you know his personality. What u see on t.v. does not show what a real persons personality is. What do you have to say about this. A person image can always be deceving. The guy could of raped someone or he could of not. But u just keep on saying he didnt. You obvisouly are in love with bryant. Did he hook you up or something.
     
  17. Relativist

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    I don't know whether Kobe did it or not. Frankly, I don't care. I make it a point to ignore the trial coverage, so I don't know how Kobe handles the press, but I am rather incredulous that some feel Kobe has manipulated the press coverage to his advantage. I'm inclined to believe that Kobe would like nothing more than for all the media coverage of his trial to go away, if not the trial itself. I'm with Deuce that it's the media primarily responsible for painting him positively in all this. Part of it is what I consider cognitive dissonance of public opinion.

    1) People generally like Kobe because he is a popular star basketball player and believe him to be a good person.
    2) Kobe is being charged with a terrible crime.
    3) People generally believe that those who commit terrible crimes are not good people.

    People suffer an emotional conflict because on one hand they want to believe Kobe is a good person, but on the other hand, Kobe cannot be a good person if he commited the rape.

    Result:
    4) People focus on Kobe as a victim of circumstance, so that they can still believe he is a good person.

    I don't know whether Kobe did it or not, and that's cool that you don't think he did. Just don't confuse rape with a desire for sex. Rape is almost always about power. It's about directing your anger or sadism at someone. That's what makes it violent and horrific. I don't know if Kobe raped her, and I'm fine if you don't think he did. But as you make your case, don't talk about rape in terms of a desire for sex, because one is not a form of the other.
     
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    ok, Kobe is a rich celebrity. Rich celebrites have big egos, they think they are gods and therefore are entitled to anything. the slightest indication of no to whatever they want they get offended.
     
  19. Roc Paint

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    I love the title.
     
  20. ZRB

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    I'm sorry, but it seems to me that lot of you, and a lot of people in general, are rooting for Kobe to be guilty. You ask how I know that Kobe isn't the kind of person to rape someone? Well how do you know he is? How can you say he thinks he can act like a god? I think you can learn a lot about someone through simple observation, and to me he simply doesn't look the type. But I suppose any time there's a case involving a potential rape of a white woman by a black man, especially rich and famous ones, the woman gets the benefit of the doubt. That's plainly obvious, as Kobe is booed wherever he goes, save for LA.

    A guy in Kobe's situation would have women throwing themselves at him. I really doubt that a guy like that would be willing to ruin a life of riches and fame, not to mention a legendary basketball career, just to make himself feel like a "God."

    And as far as him wanting to have some sex outside his marriage, I can't blame him. If he has to buy his wife a 4 million dollar ring to apologize, then she must be a nightmare.


    By the way, I think it's a bit suspect when the Judge will allow illegal police recordings, but not the medical/psychological history of the accuser. There couldn't be more important evidence in this case.
     
    #40 ZRB, May 16, 2004
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