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It's a matter of Bidenomics!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Jun 28, 2023.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Misleading.

    Congress has appropriated $113B to Ukraine (46B nondefense, 67B defense). "CBO estimated that $6.6 billion of the $113 billion would be spent in FY 2022 and another $37.7 billion in FY 2023. Furthermore, CBO estimated more than half of the approved funds would be spent by the end of FY 2024 and more than three-fourths by the end of FY 2026."

    Let's compare FY2022.

    Aid to Ukraine Amount to $53 Per American Household.
    US Defense Amount to $6200 Per American Household.


    $53 per American household is absolutely worth it, don't you think? LOL.

    But of course, the idea of per American household by economist is a joke, as if every American household paid equally.
     
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    I don't see how it's misleading. From the article:

    “As with all new federal spending,” Stern added, “this $113 billion spending spree was added to our national debt and will cost more than $300 in interest costs per household over the decade. Of course, we’ve given more aid than that, but haven’t paid the bill on it yet.”
    I think the math is pretty straightforward:

    According to the Congressional Budget Office, the U.S. had about 127.9 million households during fiscal year 2022, which ended last September, making the estimated cost for the approved aid to Ukraine per American household about $884.
    $113 billion divided by 127.9 million. Nobody said anything about FY 2022.

    Rendering the statement, "$53 per American household is absolutely worth it, don't you think?" a straw man . . . don't you think? LOL
     
  3. astros123

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    Why do you do these disingenuous articles? You do realize alot of the aid we gave ukraine is going back to filling our depleted stocks to UKR right? Alot of the "equipment " we gave ukr (old Bradley vehicles, old IVFs, Strykers) are all old models that were decommissioned anyways.
     
  4. Amiga

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    Your original post has nothing to do with “Bidenomics” – it’s a strawman. But I’ll let that go, since it’s quite common to conflate any spending with Bidenomics.

    The $53 question is directly relevant to the article’s topic – ‘Is it worth spending this much in Ukraine?’

    It’s misleading, and I won’t explain it as if you were a 3-year-old.
     
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    reading is hard. I simply posted "related" in response to Commodore's post about inflation.
     
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    Red states and rural districts have secured 10x the money than democrats even though they contribute nothing federally compared to blue states.

    Fascinating how Republicans are utterly useless in society
     
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  7. Amiga

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    Ah, a strawman at an arm length.
     
  8. adoo

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    Coming from the mouth of the horse that voted against Biden's Infrastructure Bill, while spending her worthless time as a representative from Georgia doing nothing worthwhile.

    Under President Biden's manufacturing boom, nearly 800,000 new manufacturing jobs have been created, and private sector companies have announced over $480 billion in manufacturing and clean energy investments since President Biden took office.

     
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    The Ballad of Bidenomics.

     
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    The White House said Bidenomics has generated more than $500 billion in private investment announcements flowing to the states – much of it in Republican-held congressional districts as companies invest where land is cheap and labor unions lag. Even Republicans who voted against the bills are now vying for credit.

    The CHIPs bill alone has sparked some $200 billion in domestic semiconductor manufacturing, according to the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, and industry estimates.

    IRA’s centerpiece, a $400 billion federal investment to curb climate change, is standing up solar, electric vehicle and battery manufacturing, particularly in the Southeast region where Republicans dominate.

    At the same time, provisions in the IRA will allow counties and local governments to tap into federal green energy production tax credits typically used by private entities, enabling them to develop projects on their own.

    “What you’re seeing is that counties are kind of the laboratories of innovation,” Mark Ritacco, the chief government affairs officer at the National Association of Counties.

    Biden is encouraging Americans to go see for themselves.

    “Click onto Invest.gov, put in your location,” he said recently in South Carolina. “You’ll all see projects we’re delivering in communities all across America.”

    In many ways, the undertaking reflects Biden’s initial ideas when he took office for the “Build Back Better” agenda, which started as an industrial policy but morphed into a much-more unwieldly package of social programs that collapsed in failure.

    Instead, the other three bills came into focus, as Congress surprised the skeptics to deliver legislation to passage.

    The bipartisan infrastructure bill approved in 2021 poured money into repaving roads and building bridges, but it also pumped funds into public works projects nationwide.

    That included money to upgrade drinking water systems in a nation where millions of Americans still have lead pipes and $42 billion for broadband to connect some 8 million households to the internet – including 271,000 locations in West Virginia where Republican Sen. Shelley Moore Capito fought to ensure connectivity.

    “We have a real opportunity to finally bridge the digital divide in West Virginia,” she wrote in a summer op-ed.

    While a similar bipartisan effort powered the CHIPS bill to passage, investing $50 billion in semiconductors and science research, Democrats alone muscled the Inflation Reduction Act into law late over steep Republican opposition, which continues to this day.

    The GOP-led House has tried to dismantle the IRA law, but as it begins to take hold in communities that may become more difficult.

    Gov. Kim Reynolds of Iowa and other Midwestern Republican lawmakers fought to preserve the tax break that home-state ethanol producers are already banking on to upgrade their facilities.

    Biden has been increasingly eager to call out the political disconnect. The president announced plans to travel to the Georgia district represented by firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene that’s home to a solar plant expansion.

    He recently called out opposition from Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado, whose district is home to a blade manufacturing plant for wind turbines.

    Economist Jason Furman, a former Obama official now at Harvard, acknowledged the pressure the laws put on inflation, but he said they are rapidly focusing private industry investment.

    “It does look like all three bills are catalyzing a lot of activity in a sort of larger and more rapid way than I would have expected,” Furman said. “This feels to me the biggest thing that’s happened to the half century.”
     
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    @Invisible Fan this is when you know you are making elitists scared. When you have CNBC crying about regulators. This is what it means to go up agaisnt the powerful and deep state.

    This is why Sacks and all the VC losers hate on biden all the time. Their getting crushed in the VC world. **** them

    @AroundTheWorld you bootlick a pharma bro who would be a corrupt POS cuz hes young.
     
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    I hope there are FTC resignations among the lifers. Many were sleeping at the wheel.

    Did TMo really need to eat up Sprint? Because what...sattelite telecoms?!?
     
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    Haven't financed anything in 2 years so my credit score is at an all time high of 814 up from 785 in 2021. Bidenomics.
     
  16. adoo

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    that's just an one-sided view. you have left out the additional tax revenue stream going to the Gov

    the new jobs created will bring in more income tax. more jobs means more disposable income to spend on groceries/movies/vacations/travel. it follows that more sales & gasoline taxes/hotel occupancy tax will be collected.​
     
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    “We will rebuild our country with American workers, American iron, American aluminum, American steel. We will create millions of new jobs and make millions of American dreams come true. Our infrastructure will again be the best in the world…and we will restore the pride in our communities, our nation…. We want products made in the country…. You have to bring this work back to this country…. I want manufacturing to be back into [sic] the United States so that workers can benefit.”
     
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    the CBO data don't account for private investments.
    progess made on the bidenomic bills have engendered large private investments, which have lead to more jobs/disposable income, all of which lead to more revenue collection, income/sales/gas/use&occupancy, etc.
     
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