Horry NEVER had it. The Rockets had to trade him to get him to shoot, that does not sound like IT to me. Man, I would give up almost anything on the Rockets to get Croshere, he has it all, quick first step, confidence, arrogance, attitude.... He would be a perfect fit for the Rockets. Does anyone really think we have a chance at this guy? I mean REALLY? DaDakota "Others with it...Magic, Bird, Isaiah, Kareem, Dr. J, Duncan, Garnet.... ------------------
Wizard doesn't have It? Remember a game not so long ago against the Sonics. Wizard was the man! He had it! Another player to add to this list is Charles Barkley and he had more then just It he had tripple It. The best clutch shooter and player in that matter I've ever seen. I can remember knowing that he would do something to win the game when it came down to the wire. You could just see it. He blocked shots and played great D comparing to what he does normally. What does anyone else think Charles is the best It player? ------------------ I'm tha hip hop attracta, rapper slash acta, right back at cha!
Austin Croshere is not going to be in a Houston Rockets Uniform. Gosh, but why wouldn't he. He definalty wants to play for Rudy and for the City of Houston to get to the Finals. Forget about the money. Austin is a good guy, he'll do it for the love of the City. Nawww!!! Austin Croshere is going to be playing somewhere else. But, He would be an awsome fit with the Rockets!!!! ------------------
Just because Walt had one good game where he nailed a three in the closing seconds doesn't make him have it. It was just one game. As for Chuck, he was my favorite player in the NBA. But I will admit he didn't have it, or at least not completely. Chuck had plenty of talented teams that could have easily won it all. But he, the star, never led them there. Charles was a great player, but I agree with Will who said Charles didn't have "it." ------------------ Cheaters never win. Unless you play for LA that is.
I would say that Brian Grant has IT, just in his hustle. Pippen had IT, as long as Jordan was pushing him. I remembership in the Bulls-Suns championship series that Pippen blocked a three point shot that sealed the deal in the game. That was a major IT inspired play. Horry had IT briefly in the 95 championship series. It is hard to say who in next year's draft will have or develop IT. My choices are Swift, Peterson, and Donnell Harvey (not Marshall!!!, what was I thinking), who could develop into a Brian Grant type player. BTW, Karl Malone definitely has never had IT, if he did he would have made those free throws in finals (which could very well have beaten the Bulls.) BTW2, these are my very favorite Karl Malone moments [This message has been edited by No Worries (edited June 10, 2000).]
No Worries-Donyell Marshall was an underachiever who was banished to the Golden State Warriors. Donnell Harvey is the 6'8'' Florida Freshman PF who is a rebounding machine. What about Khalid El-Amin? He led Connecticut, AND he made Crisco's franchise team. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
it it it is a very important thing just look at people who have it hakeem, clyde, elie and they all became champions now here some people without even a trace of "it"....bagwell....biggio.....bell and someone with it....caminiti..spiers ------------------ Shane "Save Our Rockets" "Life without basketball in Houston........without an arena that is what it will be"
Will: You say that Steve Smith has "it", while Scottie Pippen does not have "it". How can that be? Steve Smith did not deliver in the 4th quarter of the Laker game, and he should be just as responsible as Pip. As for Pippen, wasn't he the guy scrambling on the floor for loose balls, playing tough full-court defense, and taking atleast 5 charges a game? Rocket Fan: That's a interesting point you bring up. People are so quick to criticize Scottie Pippen for not being a leader (and I agree, he isn't one), but what about Jeff Bagwell? He's never put the team on his back and carried them. He chokes in the playoffs, but he is still considered a superstar. Why's that? ------------------ "Be like Dr. J, be like Dr. J..." - Shaq during NBC interview.
Pippen is wily, opportunistic, and athletically talented. That's why he's good at blocking shots and stealing the ball at the end of the game. The reason why he fails to translate those skills into winning games -- unless he has a Jordan alongside him to force the issue -- is that Pippen lacks what Jordan had: mental toughness and the will to dominate. Jordan didn't try to dribble around you to find his shot or get to the basket. He went right at you. This is why Jordan gets the basket or the foul in the final 2 minutes, whereas Pippen turns the ball over, as he did against L.A. both last year and this year. And Jordan NEVER would have retreated into himself and grinned with ironic resignation as his team choked away a 16-point lead in Game 7, as Pippen did a week ago. The difference between a wily, talented, and opportunistic player who has It (Jordan) and one who doesn't (Pippen) is that a Pippen takes charges, but a Jordan takes charge.
A pithy quote on this subject from Sam Smith's latest column on foxsports.com (emphasis added): "Portland imported veterans this season to stabilize its erratic core. And the veterans the Trail Blazers acquired did exactly what they had done throughout their careers: They performed through three quarters and then waited for someone else to carry the team home." ------------------ [This message has been edited by Swopa (edited June 10, 2000).]
lol NIKE Moochie has it. BTW, is Cynthia Cooper the "IT" girl? ------------------ I have a special purpose.
Steve Francis might have It, but we don't know for sure. Not until he performs in the playoffs. A lot of people thought Vince Carter had It. But it turns out he doesn't have It, not yet. Or he only has Regular Season It, and not Playoff It. Wilt Chamberlain never had It. Willis Reed did. ------------------ Drop kick me Jesus through the goalposts of life, Tumble end over end, neither left nor right. Straight on ahead through the goalposts I'll go. I've got the faith Lord, If you've got the toe. [This message has been edited by Puedlfor (edited June 10, 2000).]
cabbage..thanks for agreeing with me. some players are great like bagwell but it is a special type of player that can truly be a leader. sure bagwell and pippen have had great careers but neither has truly stepped up to be that leader and carry his team. to be a true superstar i think that is something that you need to be able to do. both pippen and bagwell seem to not be able to lead the team and take that all important role come crunch time. sure bagwell is good but if he can't lead his team and be the emotional leader etc in the playoffs what does it matter. the playoffs are all that really matters and true superstars are made in the playoffs. players like caminiti just seem to have what it takes to come up big w hen it counts. i dunno what it is but just some players have that ability to make the touchdown, hit the homerun, or hit the big shot when it really matters. sure you can come up big in first inning but what matters is if bags is coming up big in the 9th or in the playoffs....he is considred a superstar based on numbers but someitmes what players like cami, and spiers do is just as important. the playoffs are what matters and if you are horrible in the regular season but cna play in the playoffs that is bettter then a star who can talk all he wants in regular season like pipppen but not lead in the playoffs like pippen and bagwell andmost the astros ------------------ Shane "Save Our Rockets" "Life without basketball in Houston........without an arena that is what it will be"
While we are still on the subject of "IT" and baseball players. Carl Everett has IT in a big way!!! Too bad the Astros management traded away our future MVP and any hope of post-season glory!!! I am still pissed about that trade. Oh well. Carry on about IT and basketball...
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT DREAM34. Carl Everret has IT. Also Ken Caminti has IT. ------------------ President of the Moochie Norris FAN CLUB
Let me see if I follow you guys. IT is the stuff that stars are made of IT is not solely measured in talent but in heart and desire,. So then It is what separates the men from the boys. IT is fearless and can also be defined as players having ice running through their veins. Then I would say it can be further defined by who you would want on your team with the game on the line in the closing minutes of a championship series. Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Bill Russell, John Havilicek and Kareem had IT. They all actually got better when the stakes were on the line... Look at Hakeem's stats during his champioships he never won MVP for the season but clearly he was the most dominating player those years he just saved his best for the playoffs... He had IT. And I would have to say noone had IT like Mike. That's why everyone wants to be like Mike, cause he is it. ------------------
As much as I agree with you, Hakeem was the regular season MVP in 1993-1994... as well as Finals MVP... and Defensive Player of the Year. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Carl Everitt IS "IT". Damn, we traded away a potential MVP candidate for a "Double-A" prospect. God have mercy. ------------------ "Be like Dr. J, be like Dr. J..." - Shaq during NBC interview.
The Astros definitely don't have "IT"... And if they do, they obviously need to find a cure for "IT". ------------------ Just shut up and post
