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  1. Hightop

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    Tax me.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system

    Characteristics of the Prussian education system

    The Prussian system instituted compulsory attendance, specific training for teachers, national testing for all students (used to classify children for potential job training), national curriculum set for each grade and mandatory kindergarten.

    History

    During the 18th century, the Kingdom of Prussia was among the first countries in the world to introduce tax-funded and generally compulsory primary education, comprising an eight-year course of primary education, called Volksschule. It provided not only the skills needed in an early industrialized world (reading, writing and arithmetic), but also a strict education in ethics, duty, discipline and obedience. Affluent children often went on to attend preparatory private schools for an additional four years, but the general population had virtually no access to secondary education.

    Lutheran influence

    Historically, the Lutheran denomination had a strong influence on German culture, including its education. Martin Luther advocated compulsory schooling and this idea became a model for schools throughout Germany.

    Pietist influence

    Pietism, a reformist group within Lutheranism, forged a political alliance with the King of Prussia based on a mutual interest in breaking the dominance of the Lutheran state church. The Prussian Kings, Calvinists among Lutherans, feared the influence of the Lutheran state church and its close connections with the provincial nobility, while Pietists suffered from persecution by the Lutheran orthodoxy. Bolstered by royal patronage, Pietism replaced the Lutheran church as the effective state religion by the 1760s.

    Pietist theology stressed the need for "inner spirituality", which can only come about through the reading of Scripture. Consequently, Pietists helped form the principles of the modern public school system, including the stress on literacy.

    The political motivations of the King of Prussia

    Seeking to replace the controlling functions of the local aristocracy, the Prussian court attempted to instill social obedience in the citizens through indoctrination. Every individual had to become convinced, in the core of his being, that the King was just, his decisions always right, and the need for obedience paramount.[citation needed]

    The schools imposed an official language, to the prejudice of ethnic groups living in Prussia. The purpose of the system was to instill loyalty to the Crown and to train young men for the military and the bureaucracy. As the German philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte, a key influence on the system, said, "If you want to influence [the student] at all, you must do more than merely talk to him; you must fashion him, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will." [1]

    Compulsory education

    A series of edicts made clear for the first time that education was a task of the state. This evolution finally culminated in 1763, when Frederick II made schooling compulsory for all children between ages five and 13.

    Prussian General Land Law

    Though Prussian ministers, particularly Karl Abraham Freiherr von Zedlitz, sought to replace local control over schooling with a centralized, uniform system administered by the state during the eighteenth century, not until the implementation of the Prussian General Land Law of 1794 did the state first attempt to take responsibility for educational institutions. All schools and universities were made institutions of the state.

    Institution of the final examination, Abitur

    The final examination, Abitur, was introduced in 1788, implemented in all Prussian secondary schools by 1812, and extended to all of Germany in 1871. Passing the Abitur was a pre-requisite to entering the learned professions and the civil service.

    Reforms of Wilhelm von Humboldt

    In 1809, the Prussian philosopher and minister of education Wilhelm von Humboldt undertook a major reform of the Prussian education system, which was significantly influenced by this idealistic approach, and still forms the foundation of the contemporary German education system.

    Institution of teacher certification requirements

    In 1810, Prussia introduced state certification requirements for teachers, which significantly raised the standard of teaching.

    Spread of the Prussian education system to other countries

    In Austria, Empress Maria Theresa made use of Prussian pedagogical methods as a means to strengthen her hold over Austria. The Prussian reforms in education spread quickly through Europe, particularly after the French Revolution.

    Emulation of the Prussian education system in the United States

    American educators were fascinated by German educational trends. In 1818, John Griscom gave a favorable report of Prussian education. English translations were made of French philosopher Victor Cousin's work, "Report on the State of Public Education in Prussia." Calvin E. Stowe, Henry Barnard, Horace Mann, George Bancroft and Joseph Cogswell all had a vigorous interest in German education. In 1843, Mann traveled to Germany to investigate how the educational process worked. Upon his return to the United States, he lobbied heavily to have the "Prussian model" adopted.

    Mann convinced his fellow modernizers, especially those in the Whig Party to legislate tax-supported elementary public education in their states. Indeed, most northern states adopted one version or another of the system he established in Massachusetts, especially the program for "normal schools" to train professional teachers[2]. In 1852, Mann was instrumental in the decision to adopt the Prussian education system in Massachusetts. Soon New York state set up the same method in 12 different schools on a trial basis.
     
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    I think you bad crook.

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  3. Northside Storm

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    Another reason to revert back to 1850.

    RON PAUL 2012! Where Victorian England...IS THE GOAL!
     
  4. pirc1

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    Public education is one of the greatest thing to happen to man kind ever. We would not have advanced nearly as fast if we still have the education system of the 1850s the last century. It is funny to see so many people in this country fight against public education and think it would improve this country in the long run.
     
  5. esteban

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    Can't hardly wait to get Mr Blade's input on this one.
     
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    There's nothing to add. Anyone who believes public education is bad, doesn't need any retort other than the reader's common sense.
     
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    It really is amazing what the modern republican party has come too.
     
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    If the US wants to be obsolete, the quickest way is to abolish public education.
     
  9. Northside Storm

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    govement school is bad

    dey be schooling me wrong

    i needs more GOD in my schooling

    BLESS

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  10. Realjad

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    I think abolishing public education is ludicrous however we definitely need to get rid of the department of education and leave it in the hands of state, local leaders and communities.
     
  11. Anticope

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    Paulites are such mindless drones, it's so pathetic.
     
  12. SunsRocketsfan

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    did u watch the video? i dont think it had anything to do with Republicans or Democrats. It was more of a rant about the huge police state and the federal govt over stepping it's boundaries like the TSA and blaming that on school. :rolleyes:

    By the way watch the latest southpark episode about the TSA :)
     
  13. pirc1

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    Really? Get rid of the department of education? There should not be national policies on things as important as education. Why don't we get rid of department of defense while you are at it?
     
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    And that would make me very, very afraid...
     
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    cool!

    a d&d music thread :).

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  16. HombreDeHierro

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    Public schooling is good..

    But some aspects of it are definitely due for an overhaul.

    For one, children shouldn't be treated as cogs in an economic machine

    i.e. Study, get good grades, take this test, take that test, get into a college, cram some more material, get a job, hate your boss, abandon your passions, save money for your kids college funds so they can do the same
     
  17. Rashmon

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    Well, in an ironic twist, highcrop could be viewed as self-proof of his point.
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I think the opposite. Most stupid things in education happen at the local level.
     
  19. RedRedemption

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    Rick Perry would cut 100% of funding towards education within a matter of minutes. Oh god no.
     
  20. LScolaDominates

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    Nah, he would make some cuts and divert the rest of the money to for-profit charter schools.
     

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