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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ooliverb1, May 7, 2007.

  1. sun12

    sun12 Member

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    No, JVG is too good for this team. Rox over-achieved given the injuries and lack of talent on the team for the past 4 years.

    If Rox had a BAD coach for the past 4 years, think how many talents this team can accumulate!!!

    In the year Rox drafted Head, just by one position, they could draft Francisco Garcia who is a 6-7 SG. or They could just get David Lee but the management never knows how to draft.

    Or last year, just by one position, they could draft Roy!

    Think if Rox has Yao, T-mac, David Lee or Francisco Garcia, Brandon Roy, Alston, then trade Juwon to Timberwolves for M. James.

    The starting lineup could be:

    Yao
    David Lee/Hayes
    T-mac
    Brandon Roy
    Alston/M James

    or
    Yao
    Hayes/Juwon
    T-mac
    Brandon Roy
    Alston

    with Francisco Garcia as the SG from the bench or as a trade asset for a PF.
    With both Roy and Lee/or Garcia having rookie contract, Rox actually saves money.
     
  2. Rockets64

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    What's this? Another "PLAY VSPAN! PLAY SNYDER! PLAY NOVAK!" post? Ever thought of the idea that those young players aren't good enough? Why is it that because they're young or rookies, people think they're good?

    JVG and the coaches get to watch those 3 players play in every practice and in every scrimmage. JVG has said all along that he will put out the players that give him the best chance to win. You wanted to play Novak? Are you serious? The guy can't play defense AT ALL, and we're a defensive team. Snyder's appearance will make you think he's good at D, but reality is HE'S NOT. V-Span is still a project. He will get more playing time next year. The turnovers and bad shooting % cost him playing time this year. If he doesn't go back to Greece like a little pansy, he will get time next year.

    If you are in favor of developing young players that can not help us win now, then you are not in favor of winning now. Tell that to Yao and T-Mac. The Battier trade should tell you that we want to win NOW. JVG giving young players time to develop completely contradicts that winning mindset. The young players have the practices and summer to develop and improve their game.
     
  3. GATER

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    Wrong. The main "flaw" against the Jazz was having someone...er...anyone...not named McGrady or Yao Ming...who could get their own shot in some other manner than standing at the 3pt arc. Transition, putback, drive and dish, give and go, postup...any way possible excluding spotup standstill against an excellent defensive rotation team.

    Just my opinion...players than can get their own shots...Roy, Swift and Mike James...would have helped alot.
     
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  4. NIKEstrad

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    I'm with you...but Swift? :confused:
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Which is what I have been saying all year long. This team is flawed and still a couple of players away from truly competing.

    So, why not take the year and develop players, you would still make the playoffs, but at least we would know whether Snyder, V-Span and Novak are part of the future or not.

    Right now, next year will be like an additional rookie year.....that is just STUPID on JVG's part.

    And CD or Morey should have forced him to play them, which is STUPID on the organizations part.

    Someone should have been thinking long term.......(oooooooooh, do I feel a DD told ya so post coming.....holding back...holding...back.......)

    DD
     
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  6. GATER

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    I know...I know...everyone's favorite ex-Rocket to hate.

    Since you're big on stats, I'll offer that Swift generally plays much better against uptempo/athletic teams. Something the Rockets could have used. (The PHX games in the last Lottery season as an example).

    I'll also propose that Van Gundy didn't use him properly. Swift clearly isn't the only player the Gundy "don't miss a single defensive rotation or you're outta there" hook has had a negative effect upon. Novak, Spanoulis, JLIII...even Wells...It's hard to find a groove when you're constantly looking over your shoulder. .

    Lastly, Utah's superior athleticism kept Deke off of the floor and he's on record as again pondering retirement. Tsakalidis' lack of mobility IMHO is going to be a real problem. Swift may not be the sharpest pencil in the pack, but his 2 more seasons at $12m wouldn't kill anyone for an 7-9 rotational player on a team struggling to close it's athleticism gap.

    You're not arguing Swift athletic ability, right? :D
     
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  7. blazer_ben

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    Span is talented enough to be a rotational player. Adelman will make sure of that. Rick has a knack of making Euro Players play well. he's system which is based on offense and spacing and passing suits the europian type players. Hedo, Peja, Divac and etc all thrived under he's system. someone like and even novak will have more PT under him.
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Don't leave out Jim Jackson, Cuttino Mobley, Boki Nachbar, Steve Francis...etc..etc...etc....other players that have openly questioned JVG's rigidity on offense etc.

    Even Yao Ming is now questioning it.

    JVG - you are the weakest link....GOOD BYE !

    DD
     
  9. NIKEstrad

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    Oh no, Swift is plenty athletic, obviously, and I think he would've helped against Utah.

    The value in Swift in a series like this is he'd better able to take advantage of being left alone. When you're 6-6 and can't really jump, you have to be realllllly open to be open. If you have a 6-9 Swift who can jump, the nature changes, as you can just lob the ball at the rim.

    I see the need for athletic bigs (Swift) as separate and distinct from the need for playmakers (Roy, James).

    I suppose the test will occur if/when JVG is gone next year. We'll see what Spanoulis does, and I think a guy like Snyder could really blossom if we improve the overall athleticism of the team.
     
  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Nike, what if JVG is not gone, do you think Span and Snyder would get a legitimate shot at PT under JVG?

    DD
     
  11. NIKEstrad

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    Someone's head has to roll for this...

    Snyder, I don't think can really get PT for JVG. As for his opportunities, he has a chance to come off the bench

    VSpan, I think would be given the best of opportunities, because he's the only guy on the current roster that has a chance at being a playmaker.
     
  12. JoeBarelyCares

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    Amen!
     
  13. New Jack

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    I vividly remember you being apart of the “Win Now, we don’t have no time to develop rookies” crowd last summer when the Rockets decided to trade Gay for Battier?
     
  14. Rasselas

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    I thought it all started when Ralph Sampson hurt his knees?
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I love to win, and think the Battier trade was wonderful. I have always liked Battier, still do.

    But he was acquired to play the PF position, spread the floor etc.....JVG went away from that almost immediatly.

    And all year I have stated the team is not good enough to really win it all, so let's find out if some of the young guys on the bench are going to be part of the the future championship team.

    I do like to win now, but don't believe the team is strong enough to win it "all" now....does that make sense?

    So, I wanted the Battier trade, and also wanted to develop V-Span, Novak, and Synder to find out if they are part of the long term solution.

    DD
     
  16. DonkeyMagic

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    well i will never wish to have stro on this team. NO ONE should! It still amazes me how people can hold out hope for a bonified bust and never will be like stro. Athletically he is what you want but that doesnt mean squat if you're a r****d.


    but it would have been nice to get b-roy. he's a smart, tough player who can handle the ball well and is a better offensive weapon. close but no cigar.
     
  17. ooliverb1

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    Look, I have no regret that Stro is gone. But my point is that if fate took us to the road of drafting Roy, Stro would stayed on the team as a BY-PRODUCT. As bad as Stro is, he would have helped in this playoff series against Jazz.
     
  18. ima_drummer2k

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    Yeah, I'd much prefer a coach who is a p***y and wants to lose games on purpose so we don't have to face certain teams. After all, they might beat us. What a great message that sends to your team.

    Hell, if we would have tanked the whole season, we wouldn't have even made the playoffs and we wouldn't have had to face any of those big bad playoff teams.
     
  19. tsunami

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    I think his key point is not swift, he was talking Roy.
     
  20. vlaurelio

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    knowing the results, that might not be a bad idea
     

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