<hr color=green> Seems like Egypt was a source in the past: <a HREF="http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020717/2002071706.html">Egypt to prevent weapons smuggling into Palestinian territories</a> <i>The Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres said that President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt has informed Israel's Defense Minister Benyamin Ben Eliezer during their meeting in Alexandria on Monday that Egypt will work for halting weapons smuggling operations from the Egyptian side to the Palestinian authority territories in Rafah........</i> <hr color=green> They don't specify the weapon used, but they are getting ammo from somewhere. <a HREF="http://212.2.162.45/news/story.asp?j=81323136&p=8y3z37yz&n=81323723">Hamas claim responsibility for family shooting</a> <i><b>Hamas claim responsibility for family shooting 03/04/2004 - 12:27:58 </b> A Palestinian gunman broke into an Israeli settlement early today, killing an Israeli man and wounding his 12-year-old daughter in their home, the army said. The Lebanese TV station Al Manar reported that Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack on the Avnei Hefetz settlement near the Palestinian town of Tulkarem. Palestinian gunmen have repeatedly targeted isolated settlements, particularly during the Jewish Sabbath when more residents are at home....... </i> <hr color=green> A nice discussion of contemplated changes in the Israel - Egypt peace agreement of 1979. <a HREF="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2004/683/eg12.htm">Borderline debate</a> <i>.....Well-informed sources have told the Weekly that Cairo is aware of the magnitude of perils involved in the new situation, and thus unwilling to accept anything that would conflict with its own national security and higher interests. Egypt is not willing to send a single Egyptian soldier beyond its borders except under the umbrella of UN or international legitimacy, and only on condition that such a move would be in Egypt's interest, rather than that of other countries. Israeli military leaders, particularly Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon, have for some time claimed that Egypt is not doing its best to prevent Palestinian fighters from smuggling weapons into Gaza. In this respect, the Israelis want Egypt to play a greater role in the Gaza Strip, including within the so-called Philadelphia strip that separates Gaza from its border with Egypt. Should Egypt agree to do so, it would inherit Sharon's headache -- the tunnels, the smuggling of drugs, weapons, and volunteers, the Qassam missiles, the mortar rounds, and the inflammatory rhetoric emerging from Gaza's mosques. Meanwhile, Israel would retrench behind its new separation wall and blame Cairo for every round of mortar hurled across......... </i> <hr color=green> The <i>Karine A</i> affair from two years ago. etc.
U.N. institutional structures consistently are used to isolate and vilify Israel. Israel is the only country in the world that is not eligible to sit on the Security Council, the principal policy making body of the U.N. This situation violates the principle of the "sovereign equality of all member states" of the U.N. under Article 2 of the U.N. Charter. Seven of the 140 items submitted for a vote in the U.N. General Assembly (UNGA) in 2002 were anti-Israel. Last year, the UNGA adopted 19 anti-Israel resolutions. Israel is the object of more investigative committees, special representatives and rapporteurs than any other state in the U.N. system. For example, a special representative of the Director-General of UNESCO visited Israel 51 times during 27 years of activity. The Director-General of the International Labor Organization has sent a "Special Mission" to Israel and the territories every year for the past 17 years. The "Special Committees" and "Palestinian Units" of the U.N. spend more than $3 million a year, essentially to spread anti-Israel propaganda. These bodies-the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People, the Division on Palestinian Rights and the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People and Other Arabs-are the focus of the worst anti-Israel activity under the aegis of the U.N. They organize, inter alia, the annual "Palestine Day" events at the U.N., as well as symposia and other events. The U.N. has repeatedly held "Emergency Special Sessions" focusing solely on Israel. Originally conceived in 1950 for emergencies like the Korean War, Emergency Special Sessions over the past 15 years have only focused on Israel. No Emergency Special Sessions were convened to examine the genocide in Rwanda, ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia or other major world conflicts. The U.N. routinely attempts to circumvent the founding principle of direct negotiations. The UNGA passes annual resolutions that undermine the principles of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, based on direct negotiations between the two parties. By proposing specific solutions to issues such as Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and settlements, the U.N. pre-judges the outcome of negotiations. Ironically, it was the U.N. Security Council that proposed bilateral negotiations through Resolution 242 (1967) and 338 (1973). The U.N. has failed to investigate Palestinian actions supporting terrorism. The U.N. has never initiated any inquiry into Yasir Arafat and the Palestinian Authority's role in aiding and abetting terrorists, or passed one resolution condemning any terrorist organization operating against Israel. One glaring example of the U.N.'s biased policy against Israel is the concealment and vehement denial of the existence of videotape of Hezbollah's abduction of three Israeli soldiers made by U.N. peacekeeping forces in Lebanon. For 11 months, the U.N. lied to the world and denied the existence of any evidence related to the abduction. When the cover-up was exposed, revealing the existence of the videotape, the U.N. eventually showed Israel a heavily edited videotape with the faces of the terrorists blurred. When asked the reason behind this, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan stated it was due to the U.N.'s standing as a neutral organization. The U.N. has tolerated and fostered anti-Semitism and anti-Israel propaganda. The U.N. has condemned virtually every conceivable form of racism. It has established programs to combat racism and its multiple facets - including xenophobia - but has consistently refused to condemn anti-Semitism. It only was on November 24, 1998, more than 50 years after the U.N.'s founding, that the word anti-Semitism was first mentioned in a U.N. resolution (GA Res. A/53/623). "The Talmud says that if a Jew does not drink every year the blood of a non-Jewish man, he will be damned for eternity." -Saudi Arabian delegate Marouf al-Dawalibi before the 1984 U.N. Human Rights Commission conference on religious tolerance. A similar remark was made by Farouk al-Chareh, the Syrian Ambassador to the U.N., at a 1991 meeting, who insisted Jews killed Christian children to use their blood to make matzos, a charge recently recycled in a Saudi government sponsored newspaper. (sounds really unbiased to me.. ill be having blood with my matzah tonight for passover. ) On March 11, 1997, the Palestinian representative to the U.N. Human Rights Commission falsely charged Israel with injecting 300 Palestinian children with the HIV virus. The U.N. Human Rights Commission promotes anti-Israel, anti-Semitic resolutions. The Commission on Human Rights routinely adopts totally disproportionate resolutions concerning Israel. Of all condemnations of this agency, 26 percent refer to Israel alone, while rogue states such as Syria and Libya are never criticized. Last summer's conference on Human Rights in Durban, South Africa, was devoted almost entirely to condemning Israel. The conference was boycotted by the United States and Britain. The United States was kicked off the U.N. Commission for Human Rights in May 2001, despite being one of the most outspoken advocates for human rights and a founding member of the Commission. It was replaced by Sierra Leone and the Sudan, both of which have records of abuses of human rights, including slavery and the forced use of children as soldiers. The United States recently regained its seat after a yearlong absence.
Ok.. so I'll use my 1000th post on this. You ask about Israel's isolation... I was sitting in front of the library the other day when this girl came and sat near me. She was talking to her friend about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I was trying to study but this caught my attention. This girl was rambling on and on(she was an arab christian btw) about how zionists were trying to take over most of the middle east. I mean seriously, cmon you r****d. While I'm trying not to laugh, she goes further and says that Israeli soldiers are going into the refugee camps and killing children for fun. She was just telling her friend this because "her family lives there and nobody knows how it really is." I've come to realize this is a propaganda war against Israel. Enemies can't fight them with tanks or airplanes anymore, so they have to resort to spreading false information, turnspeak, and dirty politics. I still remember the "massacre" at Jenin. There was a helicopter filming a "funeral." When all of the sudden, the people dropped the body off the stretcher and IT GOT UP AND RAN AWAY!!! Now I know that putting jews in the middle of the arab world was probably not the smartest thing to do when Israel was established. Muhammed himself watched the beheading of jews back when he was alive and today we still have daniel pearl. And for years now, people try to equate zionism with racism.. The only thing that is racist is being AGAINST zionism. For thousands of years, people have fled for shelter against religious intolerance. Jews have had it the worst, by far. Now don't lump me in with the ultra-religious jews that want to restore the old zion(and there are very few of these people). I am not a zionist, however, I am a pro-zionist. If I was, I would either be living in Israel or planning on moving there. I just want these people to stop killing each other. It is ignorant to blame the entire problem on one side. The palestinians are victims of 1. their corrupt leadership, 2. their deeply rooted terrorist infrastructure, 3. Israeli ultra-defensive policies, and 4. the lack of desire to help by the other arab nations The Israeli's are victims of 1. being hated by most of the world for being a jewish nation, 2. suicide attacks, 3. being on the defensive since the establishment of their country. I'm sick of arguing about this crap. All these people saying that I don't see how the palestinians live and how I don't want to acknowledge it. My boss last summer was a Palestinian Christian and we talked about the harsh sanctions and desperation put on the Palestinians by the Israelis. The unfortunate thing is that Israel has no choice but to be isolated and to carefully decide, on their own, what type of military decisions need to be done to protect its citizens. One slip up means one more cafe blown up. The anti-Israeli propaganda machine is hard at work. Just remember, all those who have messed with Israel have gone down in the past. 1000th post over!!!! GO ROCKETS!!!!
Excellent post. I'm so sick and tired of this board being populated by pro- Arab parrots who know what would happen if the "Palestinians" were allowed a "state," but go full ostrich when confronted by quotes from such "moderate" Arabs as Yasser Arafat and other "Palestinian leaders." The "Palestinians" have only one intention and that is to rule all of what is now Israel and wipe out the Jews who live there. If you don't believe that, you are either stupid, ignorant or simply don't care a wit. As for you, NYROCKET, I know you love to tar and feather me as some kind of right-wing nut, but it is you that are prone to wild accusations of an unsubstantiated nature. It is you that traffic in tired old stereotypes. I went to Haiti later as a part of the USMC, you moron. I've traveled extensively in that country and all I can say is that it is beyond hope or help. The best thing to do would be to just either let the UN handle it (like they have anything else!) or just let it go. We've pissed enough money down that rathole to rebuild thirty countries and yet.....it does nothing for those folks. And you didn't answer my point about the fact the land was captured in a war forced on Israel except with some "law of the jungle" moronic drivel. I know why.....because you can't. I guess going against the liberal line on race is bigotted, eh? I guess not having a problem with the Jewish people living on their God-given land is bigotted as well. I guess standing up against stupid "diversity" programs and reverse discrimination quotas is bigotted too. See, there you go dropping the "ism" bomb. Once you do that, I supposedly can't respond. But it just shows you for what you are- weak, intellectually lazy and downright stupid. And how is sending the Arabs back to the Arab lands "ethnic cleansing" when they refuse to do anything but maim and kill Israelis with their cowardly suicide bombs? I know if, for example, Mexicans did that in the U.S., we'd be screaming for the lot of them to be forcibly removed, would we not? There is nothing unreasonable about such a thing when the other side refuses reasonable negotiations and continues to target innocents while the Israelis go to ridiculous lengths to avoid "collateral damage." The Israelis under Barak gave Arafat 90 percent of what he claimed to want....and predictably, it was not enough. -Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, Member of the Palestinian Authority-appointed "Fatwa Council" and former acting Rector of the Islamic University in Gaza -Yasser Arafat, in a speech at the Dehaishe refugee camp near Bethlehem, 22 October 1996 When you read those quotes, you really see that the "Palestinians" do not want a state, except for one over the bones of the dead Israeli people. Why is it then that only Israel is called upon to give up land when Arab countries control 95 percent of it! The answer should tell you much about Arab intentions in the matter.
"I've come to realize this is a propaganda war against Israel. Enemies can't fight them with tanks or airplanes anymore, so they have to resort to spreading false information, turnspeak, and dirty politics." You claim what she was saying is false information, EVEN THOUGH SHE LIVED THERE? I have talked with some of my relatives who were born and raised in Jerusalem, and they swear on how racist and evil the Israeli soldiers were, They said that they would feel up on them using security checkpoint as a reason. **** like this happens and everyone knows that. If you dont believe it then you are just ignoring the facts man.
sidiqqui, be prepared. Nothing causes the belligerent defenders of the status quo in Israel to get hotter than someone who is Arab or Muslim criticizing Sharon, anything about Israel or the status quo. They get quite rabid. They are used to silencing the opposition by being unpleasant. They believe in Israel right or wrong, that if you disagree with them on Israeli policies that you must be anti-semtic. They can't understand that people can be pissed off at Israel's policies and not be anti-semitic. Be ready. Though for the sake of the United States, world peace and even the future of Israel it is important for us who disagree to start taking them on, talk in various forums and to our neighbors and break the censureship about Israel's unjust policies. Opening the eyes of ordinary American is the only way to break the stalemate and move Israel to adopt more just policies..
Thats it man.. IGNORE list for your anti-american pro-terrorist punk a$$ Well at least he didn't call me an anti-semite.
Status quo? No one is fond of the status quo here, Arab or Jew. The reason why Israel has those policies is the fact they tried to negotiate with those animals, gave them 90 percent of what they wanted and the "Palestinians" rejected it outright. It is because their goal is not to have a "state" but to destroy Israel and run all of the Jews into the sea. I don't know if it is just ignorance, but why can't you see that? Are you blind? Your mortal enemy offers you 90 percent of what you claim to want in peace negotiations and you reject it to engage in a campaign of violence? There is no peace without victory. There will be no victory until the gloves come off and the Israelis are allowed to run the Arabs out of their tiny little country.
What am I supposed to do, post video of my aunt testifying in front of you. I can gaurantee you one thing, We dont like to make stupid stuff up to justify our actions. Are you asking me to prove that Israel hasn't commited crimes. Well few weeks ago a few ISRAELI civilians attacked palestinians. Terrorism by Israelis. Its not that hard to find many more. Its called Google http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine50.html http://www.monabaker.com/pMachine/more.php?id=308_0_1_0_M http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/palestine/AmericanIsraeliTerrorism.html http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/palestine/IsraelStateTerrorism.html some interesting quotes ----------- “Neither Jewish morality nor Jewish tradition can be used to disallow terror as a means of war... We are very far from any moral hesitations when concerned with the national struggle. First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war appropriate for the circumstances of today...” — Yitzhak Shamir Israeli Prime Minister, Zionist terrorist in an August 1943 article titled “Terror”, written for Hazit the journal of Lehi, the terrorist organization he belonged to ------ “Every time we do something, you [Shimon Peres] tell me America will do this and will do that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” — Ariel Sharon Israeli Prime Minister, homicidal psychopath Jewish Mafia member Knesset, Tel Aviv, October 3, 2001 -------- “Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.” — John Sheehan, S.J. ------ “For believing Jews, Zionism is anathema to our religion, indeed to our very being. Real Jews do not want to take over Palestine. Real Jews wish to live in peace with all peoples, especially our Arab/Muslim cousins. Real Jews commiserate with the suffering of the Palestinian people at the hands of the satanic Zionist Reich.” — Adiv Abramson an orthodox Torah Jew http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1637.htm -------
Thats what I am saying. Let the American people hear both sides of the story, Everyday in History class we are taught about how Israel is being done wrong, how Palestinians and Muslims are the reason of the Trouble..... But never once is it shown that the country was the people that lived in Palestine's. Never once are we shown records of Israeli terrorism, or Israeli Crimes against Palestine. Its all controlled from our books to our TV. The General American Population gathers what is most easily shown or taught to him/her. And they will then go with the flow on such issues.... O yea Franchise... Here is another proof of Israeli Crime... This time it was unfortunately one of our own http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/palestine/RachelCorrie.html
Dont avoid the fact that I proved to you what you asked. So what if it is a little biased. Every Media against Palestine is biased too. Sure they dont flaunt it, and yes it may be a little much, but I guess it shows you the amount of anger that Israel sparks in the hearts of people. As for pictures, You dont want me to start posting pics of the number of Palestinian Children shot down by Israel...
Ya, Ive seen pictures of kids with Guns, Who the hell knows if they are fake guns or not. Heck Ive seen Jewish kids in my neighbourhood with cap guns, I dont go around calling them terrorists. I've seen kids dress up as Jack the Ripper for Haloween, You dont see people calling them Serial Killers... So what the kids were dressed up as palestinian fighters, and had guns with them... OOOHHH, That is so wrong... Just because they are palestinian does it take away from the high possibility that the kids were just playing around and that the guns aren't real. and about that Sharon quote let me double check and get back on that...
