how do u describe a physical area that has people not allowed freedom of movement and are denied basic necesseties in a deliberate manner? give me an idea what u would call it i know its sensititve topic but does not mean we can never again use that word cause of what happened in the past
i'd compare it to the ghettos of world war II, at least way before the "concentration camps", where people were trained in, sent to a chamber, and killed. you can certainly use the word concentration camp, and technically it may actually also represent an accurate description, but I assumed because it was in quotes, basically everywhere, that the implication is comparing it to the concentration camps of WWII, which is not a valid comparison. that's all.
ok fair enough i think ghetto fits also but is ghetto a step below concentration camp or a diff process altogehter? are ghettos people denied basic necessities to pressure them into surrender or a political comprmise?
you should read about the ghettos jews were forced into during WWII. they seem to be much more similar. Interestingly, the wikipedia main description also uses concentration camp in its description of these ghettos: "During World War II ghettos were established by the German Nazis to confine Jews and sometimes Gypsies into tightly packed areas of the cities of Eastern Europe turning them into de-facto concentration camps. "
I can't find any information about a single death attributable to starvation in Gaza. Given the flood of other statistics being thrown out there in relation to Gaza, I think that such a number would be on banners trupeted around. I know on the radio yesterday, I heard that people were upset because the fighting means that they are having to "only" eat rice. That is not a discription of the Warsaw getto. There was absolutely no food in Warsaw. The gheto in Warsaw, with a total population of about 350,000 averaged about 5,000 deaths a month from starvation and disease related to starvation. There are photos of bodies piled up in Warsaw that look like the photos of the starved people as Auschwitz. By the end of the war that 350,000 population was down to 71,000. The population in Gaza is growing. Not comprable.
granted...i just thought it was much better than comparing it to the "concentration camps" - which were obviously even worse.
Israel has started to implement a daily 3-hour non-bombing break to allow Gaza residents to receive humanitarian aid. I see that as a first good step toward peace. How about going a little further, such as stopping bombing every other day, like a half-man half-season Houston Rocket who launches only on the 1st of the back-to-back games?
Not too many people talking about this. Also a child throwing stones at military is not a terrorist. That being said Hamas firing rockets where civilian populations are isn't excusable, and deserves action being taken against it. Neither side is right, and I don't think it's necessary to respond to every wrong being pointed out against one side by replying... "Well what about the otherd side doing (insert atrocity being committed by the other side)." The facts are that Hamas is in no way capable of wiping Israel off the map. Israel's military is far superior and Hamas is clearly the underdog in any conflict with Israel. Israel has in every conflict killed more civilians than the Palestinians or Hamas. The cluster bombs and phosphorus weapons show that they aren't trying everything possible to avoid civilian casualties. None of that excuses suicide bombers for targeting civilians. However, it does take away the idea that one side is more of a victim in this case than the other. The madness on both sides needs to stop.
Apparently Israel is killing aid worker too. We know Hamas is bad but Israel is making itself look worse everyday. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/08/israel.gaza/index.html
I don't know if this has been posted, but I think this might be a game changer. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/09/2462040.htm Red Cross accuses Israel over 'shocking' Gaza casualties Posted 4 hours 35 minutes ago Updated 28 minutes ago The Red Cross has accused the Israeli army of hindering its rescue teams after saying it found four children lying next to their dead mothers in the wreckage of a shell-battered Gaza City neighbourhoood. In a scathing statement, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) accused the Israeli army of failing to meet its obligation under international humanitarian law to care for and evacuate the wounded. The Red Cross said its rescue teams had been refused access to the Zeitun neighbourhood for four days. The delay in allowing access to rescuers was "unacceptable," the ICRC said. When the rescue team, which included members of the Palestinian Red Crescent Society, was allowed into the area, it found four small children next to their dead mothers in one of the houses, the Red Cross said. The ICRC said the children were too weak to stand up on their own. "One man was also found alive, too weak to stand up. In all there were at least 12 corpses lying on mattresses," the ICRC said. Fifteen survivors, several of them wounded, were found in one house. The ambulances could not get over earth walls piled up by Israeli army bulldozers to block enemy fighters, so donkey carts were brought in to evacuate the survivors. "This is a shocking incident," said Pierre Wettach, who heads the ICRC's delegation for Israel and the Palestinian territories. Israel says the team could not go in because of fighting in the area, and that it does coordinate with aid agencies. But it is coming under increasing international pressure over the civilian situation in the territory. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) has suspended its work in Gaza after one of its aid convoys was shelled by Israeli forces. "UNRWA decided to suspend all its operations in the Gaza Strip because of the increasing hostile actions against its premises and personnel," Adnan Abu Hasna, a Gaza-based UNRWA spokesman said. Mr Hasna did not say how long the suspension would last. "A convoy going towards Erez came under fire, according to the contractor," said the UNRWA's Chris Gunness. "Two tank shells impacted near a forklift, and one person was killed," he said. "The forklift trucks had been contracted to pick up UN goods," he said, adding that the convoy had been coordinated with the Israeli military. The Israeli army said it was investigating. About 250 foreigners have been evacuated from Gaza City to Israel, but hundreds are believed to be still in the territory. -------------------- This humanitarian crisis is getting pretty serious when the Red Cross is accusing Israel of war crimes...
We should all remember that Israel SUPPORTED Hamas in the past as well. If you don't believe me, go look it up.
UN security council voted 14-0 today with US abstaining which means US supports this bill too http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090109/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_diplomacy this should be abiding
Someone argued earlier that all UN Security Council Resolutions are binding. That is not true. They must be drafted under Article 7 to be binding under international law, at least according to NPR. The relevance? This resolution wasn't drafted under Article 7.
From the article "In a possible sign Hamas was unwilling to compromise yet, a senior Hamas official in Syria, Mohammed Nazzal, told Syrian TV on Thursday that the group would never surrender and vowed to fight house to house against Israeli troops in Gaza. A joint statement issued by Palestinian groups based in Syria's capital Thursday rejected the Egyptian-French initiative, saying it would undermine Gazans' resistance and give Israel "a free hand" to continue aggression. Hamas is normally a member of the coalition, but it wasn't clear if it signed the statement. Hamas officials in Syria were not available for comment. --------
More relevance? A unanimous majority vote on a SC resolution has to be supervised by the Security Council. Chapter 7 (not Article) only ensures military enforcement. Point being, it makes resolution 1860 just as legally binding as if it was drafted under Chapter 7.
