I agree. Within the last two years Israel withdrew from the West Bank and encouraged Fatah to ignore the elections and to try to have a coup in the West Bank. This backfired with Hamas winning militarily as well as electorally. The majority of the Palestinian voted for Hamas in a free election and Hamas has great support in the West Bank, too. You are wrong to try to see the West Bank and Gaza as not being part of one future Palesinian state, though Israel would probably prefer to have two or more mini-states to dominate. I will admit Israel has been great at dividing and conquering the Palestinians. Helping Hamas get started to oppose Arafat and Fatah and more recently supporting Abbas and Fatah against their previous baby, Hamas. Israel's brutality might eventually force the Palestinians to their knees to accept a couple of non connected South African Bantustans, but it is unlikely this will give Israel peace. The neo-con ideologues and religious fundies who control are content to fight on, but the country will not really be able to prosper either while they struggle for that unjust outcome or after they accomplish it. Not a great place to live if you have alternatives.
As I stated before, I'm honestly tired of defending Israeli policy. Many people have been killed in the name of "security" as what happened in Iraq (which I was and still am completely against). But I'm equally as tired as people stating this is some sort of genocide or ethnic cleansing. I will agree to disagree that arab states are jew-hating. How many years do we have to argue about this glynch? You honestly believe that Israel is some evil entity bent on domination and torture of Palestinians. I've always believed that Palestinians are prisoners of their own leadership and pawns of the arab world. The day that Palestinians love their children more than they hate the existence of Israel, we will start to see peace.
No, its a war based on hate from both sides. Hate that is taught by parents and passed down through the generations. Care to research how many jews Mohammad beheaded? My bias lies in that Israel is more tolerant of other cultures (ie: religious diversity within the country vs. it's neighbors). Being jewish I will always feel some tie to Israel, although I never plan on moving there. I never claimed not to be biased, but I do want lasting peace and I feel like the arab version of what needs to be done is fatally flawed. With all that said, Israel needs to fight extremism both militarily and through better policy.
Israel could start by fighting extremism within their own borders. As long as far-right Israeli political groups have power all out of proportion to their numbers, the chances of Israel reaching an accommodation with the more moderate actors on the Palestinian side will be diminished, just as those Palestinians will be, and have been, pushed to the curb by the more extreme groups in the parts of Palestine left to the Palestinians. Pushed to the curb because they appear helpless to do anything against Israeli expansion in the West Bank and the Israeli blockade of Gaza.
terrorism is the war of the poor. War is the terrorism of the rich. U.S white youths have been brainwashed since they were children. Who was sending explosives to inspector gadget through his mail? It wasn't doctor claw!!
Why even bother? That situation is a dead end. Ten years have passed since the time I came to this forum...and we are still talking about the same BS. Let them stand-off each other until they die. People who want peace either have to win a war...or both stop fighting to have peace. Neither is happening. So, f em. Why should I worry about what his happening over there...when neither side is a real partner for peace? They both talk about it but that's all it is. Do this and we will have peace? Yea...sure.
I love how the term "brainwashing" is used as a debate tactic here when you have nothing with substance to say. It must all be part of that Jewish controlled media here...
Although people of your political persuasion have made this a cliche'd joke, the actual statement isn't really far off (although nobody ever said these had 'nothing to do with our actions.' Radical Islamic fundamentalists don't, in fact, agree with our 'freedoms.' If they had their choice, those freedoms wouldn't exist. This is pretty misleading. Arab states condemn Israel for their own purposes, mainly as a rallying point to distract their own populations away from internal problems. Historically, most of the Arab states didn't give a crap about the Palestinians themselves. That doesn't mean Israel hasn't acted improperly at times, but at least recognize there are two sides to the story, glynch. It's ironic that you'd chastise someone else for being too slanted in their opinion.
I think you may be too cynical. There may be some politicking involved, but it's not hard to believe that other nations, even Arab nations, have a genuine moral objection to Israel's behavior. That they don't want to take in millions of Palestinian refugees in their own countries doesn't mean they can't be indignant when they see the injustice going on now.
2009. It's starting out as a crazy year! Don't think so. Cynical is exactly what I'd call Arab state protestations about the issue. There's a large body of literature from the Palestinians themselves on the issue. Again, your view ignores the real conflict between democracy and radical islam. In a radical islamic state there is no democratic choice. Some things you are allowed to do according to their interpretation of the Koran and the rest you aren't. There isn't any choice or changing what is and isn't allowed. This isn't something being made up by "neo-cons," but rather an issue the fundamentalists themselves point to. Statement: Oh yeah, they really hate us for our freedoms. Response: Actually, they do have real problems with our freedoms. Statement: Sure, keep ignoring that they don't like our policies. Response: Never said they liked our policies. They can dislike both our policies and our democracy.
He beheaded a tribe for an act of treason during war which had put the entire city in endangerment. If you are seriously contesting that that event was fueled by some anti-semitic fervor, and that what we are seeing is somehow a continuation of that event, you are pretty much just writing your own narrative at this point.
Except that while it may be something they hate, it's not WHY they hate us. If it were, they would hate Canada, Australia, Switzerland, and all sorts of other countries as they do us. But they don't. They hate us for other reasons - and like just about everyone else on the planet, those reasons have to do with how the entity they hate directly affects them.
First, the do hate our freedoms. There really isn't much argument to be made about that since they say it themselves. Second, of course the policies they are directly affected by are at the forefront. One doesn't deny the other. Sans those policies they would still hate our freedoms, and it's reasonable to think they would act on that when in a position to do so.
