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Israel's insanity

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by insane man, Dec 27, 2008.

  1. eckostylez

    eckostylez Member

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    You still have yet to answer any one of my questions.

    UN laws are bound to nations that are members of the UN.

    And for my stance with the Guantanamo Bay detention facility... The establishment of the facility is legal. The way they have conducted themselves since 2005-2006 is considered illegal according to international law. Not all people held there are POW's, but everyone there is protected under the United States Constitution (Boumediene v. Bush). It is a conflict of jurisdiction. However, I do fail to see the connection you are trying to make here. I do see you trying to change the subject constantly and not answering the questions presented in the face of this topic. For someone with so many posts, you don't seem to have many answers.

    I can say the same for you. You have yet to address any international laws and treaties Israel has broken. The amount of war crimes they have committed is similar to Nazi enthusiasts after the fall of Germany.
     
  2. Kwame

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    Why is everybody ignoring the fact that Israel started this with their incursion into Gaza and their blockade long before these rockets that everybody is harping were ever fired?

    Also, why is Israel not allowing journalists and the media into Gaza to cover this whole situation?

    I think it has to do with prejudice, racism, and xenophobia towards Arabs and Muslims. There are religious and cultural factors as well
     
  3. Kwame

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    What about the blockade of the entire Gaza Strip while there was a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel? Over 1.5 million people were denied basic supplies like medicine and food before any rockets was ever launched at Israel. What about the Israeli incursions before any of this in order to try and provoke Hamas? Is your hatred of Arabs and Muslims keeping you blind to the facts?

    On a related note, I think Israel realizes that they can get away with this sort of stuff more easily while Bush is in office. Thus, before he leaves, they want to do as much damage as they can.
     
  4. Ottomaton

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  5. glynch

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    Israel knowingly fires rockets into densely populated city blocks knowing with near 100% certainty that innocents will be killed along with the Hamas members it is trying to assasinate.

    To pretend that Israel usually notifies the Hamas leader and the bystanders ahead of time is just rank propaganda. So silly to think that this happens often if at all. Israel would kill few if any Hamas leaders in this fashion, but would blow up a lot of buildings. Not very cost effective even though US tax payers are subsidizing the cost.
     
  6. Refman

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    We must accept our share of the responsibility for them being there in the first place. The US had a large role in the establishment of Israel in 1948 after WW2.

    You go in, create lasting instability, and expect that it will just play itself out.

    Gee...I wonder why this hasn't gone well.
     
  7. Refman

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    Overly simplistic and, of course, dead wrong.

    Israel has been one of our allies since the United Nations partitioned Palestine, thus creating Israel, in 1948. It is natural and expected that our people will tend to favor a nation that we are allied with (and helped create).

    As much as it may sound slick to claim racism, I really don't think that is the culprit here.
     
  8. Ottomaton

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    You don't think they would want to do it, so you state that you know for a fact that they aren't doing it, despite evidence to the contrary? Do you see where the flaw is in this train of logic?
     
  9. mrdave543

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    No point in trying to convince them they notified the innocent in advance. No matter what they will blame Israel over Hamas for the attack. It;s just not worth it. They will always blame Israel.
     
  10. eckostylez

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    Answer these questions:

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=4130789&postcount=192

    And maybe read this for clarification:
    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=4124142&postcount=132

    UN General Assembly resolutions aren't laws, since they are non-binding. Security Council resolutions are binding:
    Also, Security Council resolutions that are passed with a unanimous majority become obligatory international laws, to be followed by all nations who are members of the UN. This in particular means UN-SCR 242.
     
  11. thacabbage

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    DELETE.

    Too Graphic.
     
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  12. CometsWin

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    It hasn't gone well because we're partial to Israel in everything from aid to UN resolutions. An impartial US would have had peace in the region decades ago.
     
  13. Ottomaton

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    When you go to discredited radical-revisionist historical agenda sources like Uri Milstein, it is no wonder you have a warped view. You might as well be quoting the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine petition to say that there is a consensus about Global Warming, or quoting David Irving on the Holocaust.

    If you want to know about your 4th Geneva Convention, see below:

    http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_geneva.asp

    Regarding the Resolutions...

    deplores
    deeply regrets
    strongly condemns

    Ok. How is Israel preventing the member states from deploring or condemning or regreting?

    I'm not sure what you want me to answer in a post between you and a third party in which there are no questions. And further, I'm not sure why I would even if I understood what you wanted. Perhaps If you will reciprocate and I can call up posts from 5 years ago and demand that you supply your comments I might consider it. But probably not.

    If you bothered to get a balanced viewpoint, you'd know the answers. But since you seem to like to look at only the radicals, crackpots, and people with agendas, the Israelis have a different opinion than you about Resolution 242. It also points out that for years and years the Arab states and the Palestinians rejected Resolution 242 categorically, only coming back to it recently. If you bother to read the whole article, you will notice the many comments by unrelated parties about how ambiguous and vague the actual demands of the resolution are.

    In any case, if the Palestinians had bothered to adhere to Resolutions 48, 49, 50, and many of the other resolutions from those years, then 242 could have been avoided. If, as an exercize you want to say that they have violated it, then they learned from the best - the Palestinians, Syrians, Egyptians and Transjordanians spent years violating the early UN resolutions.

    They only started caring about things like UN resolutions after getting their asses handed to them by the Israelis time after time, and determining that they werent going to drive off the Israelis by force.
     
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    whoa :eek: , that is sad.
     
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  16. Phreak3

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    I think people's positions on this issue is probably largely correlated with their poltical alignment (somewhat obvious, I guess). Certainly there are exceptions, but I think liberals tend to see Israel as half in the wrong if not more, social conservatives/neocons STRONGLY favor Israel, and fiscal conservatives/libertarians are neutral. At least thats what I gather from this forum and hannity.com (especially, hannity.com).
     
  17. glynch

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    You have no great evidence that Israel frequently notifies apartment complexes that they are about to bomb. An anectdotal tale or two. It is highly effective pr to do it once or twice or say you do it. Don't you realize this?

    BTW when we are talking about indiscriminate punishing of innocent civilians please explain whether Israel calls up sick and dying Palestinians ahead of time and says: "you might want to move to another hospital or neighborhood because we are cutting off electricity to your neighborhood and it might severely impact your health or cause your death.
     
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  18. glynch

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    Israel can end all of this if they would just obey international law and move back to the pre-1967 borders for a two state solution, which is accepted by the whole world, all the Araba states and has the support of a strong majority of the Palestinian people and has been essentially accepted by Hamas, who has agreed to an indefinite long term peace.

    Many think the pre-1967 borders are more defensible than the new borders Israel is struggling to create.

    Israel slogs on for a few more square miles of the West Bank.
     
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    Had this been Putin's soviet union doing this, the same posters that are defending Israel would be throwing a hissy fit.

    Israel is great.... because they have tanks.
     
  20. durvasa

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    In theory that sounds good, but I don't think it would work. Too much land outside those borders has already been claimed and developed by Israel for its citizens. Expansion still continues, by my understanding. Israel has no intention of backing off or relocating its citizens. it values that land too much.

    Also, there's so much resentment towards Israel throughout West Bank / Gaza, and particularly amongst the militant elements. Unless Israel agrees to some massive reparations (which won't happen), I think it will always be under threat.
     

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