You can't let it go because a simple answer behooves you and Major...I distinctly realized neither of you could expand on the simplicity of the options with great pleasure...
HA ha ha...lol! Major has previously alluded that Hamas is nothing but occupational terrorists as I affirmed without disagreement...There is no such a thing as negotiating with terrorists...That dosen't work and there is a reason Presidents, democratic and evil republican alike state this mantra...Don't be silly.
Democratic and Republican presidents are big fat liars, because they have in the past -- and will most likely continue to -- negotiate with terrorists when it's prudent to do so. The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" is designed for public consumption, apparently you bought it...
I have great respect for major but I dont accept his word as Gospel. I'm not surpprised if you affirm that particluar statement of his. Tigermission said it all wrt to " we dont negotiate with terrorists.
Call me a sucker for the masses out there, yet I'm not naive to not know there are politicians who lie, just as there are others in professions that lie with regularity such as salespeople and lawyers...It is a part of the game... With that said, when is it ever prudent to negotiate with terrorists in a situation such as this?...Especially when the goal of that terrorists' charter and meaning in life is your destruction? It makes no sense to concede time and resources to further that goal and that is why it is not an option to negotiate... Unless they got you by the balls...negotiation is a big fat no in my book...
But they do, as it currently stands. They have been granted veto power by Israel over the one thing Israel wants: peace. To do the same dumb thing over and over in a situation where it has never worked is basically the definition of stupidity. You don't negotiate with the terrorists, in this situation, though. You negotiate with the moderate political portion of Hamas and put pressure on them, which in turn continues the fracture of the military (terrorist) wing and the political wing. That forces Palestinians to make a decision within, instead of uniting behind a common enemy. Hamas is manipulating Israel extremely well, just as terrorists in Iraq have done with the US military, putting us into the mess we're in now. Sadly, politicans continue to say and do dumb things to build domestic support while completely screwing up their international situation. And as shown here, it works great for domestic consumption. Of course, the experts know better, but they get ignored: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=114806
I think we are putting pressure on them now...It would be safe to say the magnitude and intensity of the Israeli military buildup is beyond the same old thing we have seen before at least for quite some time...and I think that is in part because any negotiation with the moderate political portion of Hamas- who still beholds their goal in life for Israel's destruction btw, has probably been explored and exhausted with no meaningful progress... I don't quite see where any negotiation will benefit Israel whatsoever...Hamas, and other palestine militants only seek resources and time to further their clear and present goal in life which is Israel's destruction... Israel has been too peaceful, too long...they need to get this going and keep the foot on the throat this time.
The kidnapping of a soldier that belongs to an army that is occupying foreign territory? That crap? You kidnap some of ours, we kidnap some of yours. You kill ours, we kill yours. That sounds like war to me. Maybe you're confused.
By the way - the strategy of splintering the political and military wing of a terrorist movement was used very effectively by the UK in dealing with the IRA. It involved negotiation, not military force.
The confusion is all you. That soldier wasn't occupying foreign territory when they tunnel rat dug to kidnap him,...Also the progress in the Gaza strip was evident with the prior pullout...If the other side could see the sunshine, their tactics would have been different so they could FURTHER the progress... As it is they got much deserved chesse as I stated...
Outside of a YoYao post, I don't seen any way to lighten up this debate.....because the situation is unsolvable. They are peaks and valleys in this situation between the Palestinians and the Israelis, but we won't see peace there in our lifetime. Or will we? Good segue into...... I hate to put a biblical spin on this......wait, no I don't. I don't hate it at all. Scripture explains a lot about the unrest in this area. If for no other reason than curiosity, check it out if you haven't already. Some say that utilizing the same tactics against Hamas has never worked, and will never work. The same goes for the terrorist organizations. Kidnapping soldiers, killing civilians, blowing up buses and stands in busy markets, committing suicide or martyrdom - none of this works either. Maddening! I think that's all I know about that.
Good post, you spoke from your feelings rather than a group think type of post...We need more of that. And yes, I can tell the differance...
Oh, so now the soldier has to be in the act? I would hope these convenient set of rules don't apply to members of Al-Qaeda. What kind of weak on terror, flip flopping, nanzie pansy argument are you making exactly? Are you claiming we cannot kidnap members of Al-Qaeda unless they are in the act of killing Americans? I would hope you'd realize that we are a nation at war and we will not tolerate this kind of appeasement Mr. Chamberlain.
You do realize you are making an unsubstantiated connection of Israeli soldiers with Al-Qaeda?...This makes no sense whatsoever...but then again what else is new?
This is worth notating for all:... What is Hamas? Hamas (Arabic for “zeal”; also an Arabic acronym for the Islamic Resistance Movement) is considered a radical political group with para-military activities, and is classed as a terrorist group by the European Union, the U.S., Israel and Canada. The group was created in 1987 as an offshoot of the Egyptian-based Muslim Brotherhood movement, and stands for complete Israeli withdrawal from all Palestinian territories. Following the 2005 Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, the Hamas leader in Lebanon declared, at a rally attended by local members of parliament, that the resistance would continue until all of Palestine—including Jerusalem—is “liberated.” With representatives of Hizbullah (another terrorist group) and various other Palestinian factions also in attendance, he said that this, not negotiations, was the only way to succeed. It is suspected that Hamas primarily seeks to establish an Islamic theocracy in all of the area that is currently Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. A Hamas co-founder reportedly stated that the movement’s goal is to “remove Israel from the map.” www.realtruth.org
They are soldiers in armies that are involved in illegal acts. I'll do a diagram next time so you can follow.
