Israeli documents show a deliberate policy of keeping Gazans hungry

I have, on numerous occasions here, stated that the settlements are wrong and need to be stopped immediately. I have stated that Israeli policy is hijacked by ultra-religious political parties.

You ask for one to argue based on facts and not emotion. Then you, in a very emotional manner, spout out some sort of fecal matter about how everybody needs to call the IDF something else after some sort of non-factual rant. You use the word zionism/zionist faster than glenn beck can spout off the words liberal/progressive.

You are a friggin hypocrite.

 

People are calling them that because that is their name. It is no different than using the terms People's Liberation Army (who have not been liberating anyone for a long time), Japan Self Defense Force, United States Marine Corps (who are not limited to amphibious operations), Royal Canadian Mounted Police (they don't all ride horses) or Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (though the last is a bit ungainly and Iran Revolutionary Gard Corps or IRGC is more commonly used in the US). That isn't going to change because you don't agree with their policies/politics.

 

So much hate in Kwame's posts.

 

Maybe the next time this guy goes to Israel you can accompany him and show your support:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3293013,00.html

 

Hey Kwame, if you really want to know why it's called the IDF, make a list of ME countries that have waged war against the state of Israel, then make a list of those that have not. Compare.

 

I wish I could accept that you believe this.

You think the IDF can not reign down on those tunnels whenever they want, like they have done on selective occasions in the past?

Also, don't say that locals are shooting at Israelis. Those are armed Hamas soldiers shooting at the Israeli millitary. Random civilian palestinians don't shoot random Israelis.

You fail to comprehend that literally every resource in the Gaza strip is under the control of Hamas. So everyone must serve Hamas or die miserably. In turn, Hamas' strength is limited by Israel's allowing resources to enter. It's very very simple.

 

So you separate civilians from Hamas when assigning guilt, but you go on to say

Doesn't that make a separation of who is Hamas and who isn't difficult?

So if you concede that

1) Hamas soldiers are shooting at Israelis
2) Every resource in the Gaza strip is under the control of Hamas
3) Hamas' strength is limited by Israel's allowing resources to enter

then why are you complaining about Israel limiting the amount of resources which enter?

Seems like the completely logical step to protect the own population, simply based on your own statements in your post.

 

lol, if its logical for you, then it is definitely not logical at all.

 

What do you think of "natural growth" (colonization), "mass transfer" (ethnic cleansing), and "moderate physical pressure" (torture)?

Do you support these things or do you condemn Israel for these practices?

Are you supportive of Israel deliberately keeping Gazans hungry?

Also, do you support Apartheid or are you disgusted by institutionalized racism?

Hey Buck, if you want to know why the Israeli military shouldn't be called the "IDF," why don't you go and look at all the conflicts they've been a part of and see who's initiated the conflict by starting the war and engaging in aggression. Compare.

Also, can you give us your thoughts on Israeli colonialism, torture, ethnic cleansing and Apartheid/racism? Do you support these things or do you condemn them? Also, do you have any thoughts on Israel deliberately keeping Gazans hungry or do you not care?

 

As usual, Kwame is full of hate - and wrong.

 

How is his last post full of hate???

Let me ask you, why do you and why does America support Israel NO MATTER WHAT???

 

Israel is a place that is put down by the media. If Israel decides to invade the hamas tunnels they will be made out as the bad guy.

If any of you have actually traveled to Israel you would realize that it is not such a bad place at all. **** CNN and all the other sources that gived biased reports on why Israel is such a huge problem to the world. The real problem is all the hate that is generated through such a young age in all places in Gaza making peace such a hard thing to reach. Kwame needs to realize that his emotions are covering up the truth and that if we could reach a point in the area where arabs and israelis could live together without death happening all the time than there would be no need to argue over such stupid issues.

 

They don't invade the hamas tunnels, Israel just bombs them.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7801662.stm

 

Jackie, it is shocking that you can't see the correlation between dehumanizing Muslims and Arabs with the early days of antii-semitism in Germany.

To explain. Leftists, at lease in the twentieth century, have been against imperialism and the exploitation of native populations by outside folks who move into their countries and seize their lands and oppress them. In this case the Euro Jews who founded Israel are the outside folks.

Almost any population on earth will try s to resist the invasion of the land they have lived for millenia by folks from another country or continent as seen in Palestine.

You are falsely equating being against Zionism, especially in its more virulent forms, and anti-semitism o rbeing against being anti-Jewish per se. Many leftists around the world feel quite comfortable with Jews on many issues and the left has always had more than its fair share of Jews who tend to be in general for social justice, when not besotted by Zionism.

Interestingly as Israel continues its right wing surge and blatant discrimination against the Palestinians polls are showing that young Jews in America are starting to see the center of Jewishness returning to America as was true until about the 1950's.

 

I don't care what you accept or don't accept.

The bomb tunnels. The tunnels either don't get destroyed or new tunnels are dug. The cycle repeats. The Israelis are never going to be able to stop tunnels from being constructed between two countries that they do not control. The US can't stop tunnels from being constructed from Mexico into the US. The US couldn't stop the use of tunnels in Vietnam either. It turns out that it is very difficult to prevent someone from using a shovel when you are not around.

Hamas is not a bunch of foreign fighters. While they receive resources from the outside, the people doing the shooting are by and large locals. When the Israeli soldiers conduct ground operation in Gaza, it is locals that are shooting at them.

You fail to comprehend that the people in Gaza ELECTED Hamas. They chose to put themselves under the control of a terrorist organization. Prior to that, when Fatah was in control, they were still harboring Hamas. Anyone could have told Israeli troops that there was a Hamas cell operating out of their apartment building, neighborhood, etc. Anyone could have marked on a map where to find Hamas fighters. They generally did not do so. Hamas has sheltered behind the civilian populace of the territories since it came into existence, often with the help of those same civilians. Quit pretending that the people of the Gaza strip are some sort of victims of Hamas, they got exactly what they voted for.

For it.

For it.

Against it.

Look at the article I linked to. The guy in charge says that the food shipments to Gaza are based on what they ask for. He also says that they are asking for no more now than they have in the past. They are not keeping Gazans hungry, nor have the been.

I support the people of the state that was founded as a home for Jews being able to maintain it as a Jewish state. No one is forced to live there. The Jews are the most historically oppressed group of people in the history of the world, so I see no problem having a country with a Jewish character. It isn't like there are no Muslim states. There are actually quite a few within walking distance of Israel.

Besides that, the level of "racism" seen in Israel is not remotely comparable with South Africa. For example, Raleb Majadele is a member of the Knesset. There were no black members of Parliament in South Africa. That means that there are more Muslim Knesset members in Israel than there are black senators in America by the way, or Muslim senators in America for that matter.

 

It is the palestinians and the enemies of Israel that continue to dehumanize jews:

No longer outside folks after this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

Did somebody say invasion?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

Stop hijacking the word Zionism and act like it's a bloodthirsty animal bent on world domination. Zionism is the idea that jews should have a homeland. It has nothing to do with Israeli policy that you disagree with. To disagree with the idea of Zionism is NOT anti-Semitic... however, it goes against the strong feelings that the vast majority of jews feel is right due to the oppression we have faced in the past.

The center of Jewishness will ALWAYS be in Israel.

 

Thank you Chievous for being a voice of reason against all the Israel hate displayed by islamists and leftists in this forum.

 

I'll be honest... I don't agree with a lot of the things you say about Islam/Muslims... In this case, I'm just tired of folks blaming one side when the side they support are blatantly guilty of what they are accusing Israel of.

It does sadden me that Palestinian children appear to have no hope. I don't see the purpose in keeping a population hungry and desperate. I also hope for the day that Israel no longer sees neighbors that is bent on its destruction.

 

Can you cite examples? Or are you just trying to follow the seemingly popular opinion here without being able to cite examples?

 

I have read many of your posts... some I agree with, some I feel are meant to incite some of the folks that will disagree with you (ah the joys of D&D).

If you want examples, the most recent one would be posting an article comparing Islam to a drug. With your reputation, one can see that it's cherry picking of articles to come to the conclusion that you wish...

Christian missionaries go out to 3rd world countries claiming that their set of beliefs will lead to salvation. Escape your sins, indulge and give to the church. It's the same thing. Any religion that recruits is like a drug that tries to suck you in.

You also are always wanting for moderate muslims to be up in arms and denounce every little thing that extremist muslims do. Yes, Islam has an image crisis on it's hands (see Mohammad cartoons and Burqas). Muslims aren't the only culture that do not tend to blend into to the norms of Western societies. Many Mexicans here in the U.S. refuse to learn English, even after being here for decades.

I understand that it is different in Europe, especially the U.K., where some Muslim religious leaders have adopted the radical teachings of those in poorer countries. This is not as widespread in the U.S. so your outlook will be different than most on this board.

I would rather understand somebody that thinks differently than hate what I do not understand. I'm not accusing you of hating Muslims/Islam, only that your approach in flaunting the most radical of radicals has worn thin on a lot of our Muslim Rocket fans.

I do also thank you for calling out ridiculous arguments against Israel. There is one thing about being jewish... you are always a minority and will be on the smaller side in numbers. Just because one opinion is stated 100 times more than another, doesn't make it true and should be called out if it is wrong.