Israeli documents show a deliberate policy of keeping Gazans hungry

That's all you got? I smacked you down so hard with a spanking that you still haven't even come up with a response or retort. I just undressed you completely and showed everyone you don't got a tool and all you can do is come back with that weak sauce?

Game set match.

 

Do you see anyone applauding you other than yourself?

That should tell you all you need to know.

I don't even know what you are talking about...it's not worth it to pay much attention to your posts, so you might be referring to something that I didn't even look at.

 

Repped and applauded.

 

Repped and applauded.

 

Wow, your ecock is massive. Kudos.

 

The guy who makes the determination of what crosses the border says that there is an amount that is requested. Is he just making that up? Why make THAT up?

The same government guy who says there is an amount requested. I think I figured out the problem, the guy is crazy and is letting in an amount of food based on the voices in his head telling him how much is being "requested".

Because you don't care about international law and are attempting to change the facts on the ground so that when a final settlement is reached you are going to be in a better position?

Yes?

If you were starving and there were two borders and at one of the borders they were sending across food based on how much you requested, would you not request more food?

The complete withdrawal from Gaza began in August of 2005, based on a plan announced in December of 2003. Was this a reaction to the takeover by Hamas two years in the future? Or was a rather part of Ariel Sharon's unilateral disengagement plan? The settlements in Gaza were always a very small portion of the overall settlements (at their peak about 8,000 people as compared to over 300,000 now in the West Bank (not counting East Jerusalem). There was no point in keeping them, so they were dismantled before Hamas even won parliamentary majority, let alone took military control of Gaza.

 

What guy is this? You are being extremely vague and disingenuous. Mind dropping a name of this "guy" that is somehow at all the border crossings?

WTF are you on about? The Palestinians in Gaza do not request a certain amount of aid daily, that's ridiculous. Apparently you believe they do.

So if Israel (a nation that is a signatory to numerous international conventions) disregards international law, then isn't it quite hypocritical of them to point out violations of international law by Hamas (a socio-political group that has not signed or ratified any international treaties)? Two wrongs somehow make a right?

 

As to the first part, I don't think there's anything I need to say there.

To the 2nd....you sure do seem to RESPOND to a lot of my posts despite not paying attention to them.

Keeping digging that hole there buddy. But I suggest you address your original fallacy about Hamas than to continue to pretend there.

 

Consider it to be done out of a feeling of pity for you.

 

ATW - do you just wake up really early? Or sleep really late?

 

Usually I go to sleep really late. But today it is extreme.

 

I have posted his title like 5 times now. The COGAT (Coordinator of Governmental Activities in the Territories). He was the person who released the documents in the OP. He was the interviewee in the article I have posted twice now. His name is Eitan Dangot and he is a Major General in the IDF. I don't know how that is being vague.

According to the COGAT, there is a request for food at regular intervals. The requests have remained the same despite relaxed restrictions. I provided a direct quote from the person whose responsibility is to approve the requests. Unless the guy is just making the whole thing up, apparently the Gazans do request food. I never said they make the request daily. The trucks deliver daily based on the amount requested the last time a request was made and approved.

Israel is dealing with an enemy that does not follow international law. They are not going to allow Hamas to determine what the final agreement will be. They are not going to allow a hostile force that shoots rockets at civilians to control half of their capital city. If that means they need to violate international law vis-a-vis settlements in occupied territories, they are probably going to continue doing it.

 

First off, after doing a little researching, you're wrong. The CLA maintains government activities in the Gaza Strip, and it is run by Moshe Levy (a Colonel). Second, he didn't release crap. Gisha created a petition to force the Israeli government to release those documents under its Freedom of Information Act.

Umm, no. If you bothered to even read the report (try page 8), you'll see that they specifically calculate how much food to send in based on daily consumption per capita. They even give the stupid formulas they use to collectively penalize the Palestinians. This is all told in the Gisha report from the OP:

The documents contain a series of formulas created by the Defense Ministry to compute product inventory (pages 8-10). The calculations are presumed to allow COGAT to measure what is called the "length of breath" (section i, page 8). The formula states that if you divide the inventory in the Strip by the daily consumption needs of residents, you will get the number of days it will take for residents of Gaza to run out of that basic product, or in other words, until their "length of breath" will run out.

According to the document, these are the only people who make inquiries on the needs of humanitarian aid for Gazans:

The Gaza economic branch, the Gaza international organizations' department, heads of civilian division branches, PA bodies, various government ministries, international parties, media, reports and publications, inquiries by Israeli parties, petitions to the justice system.

About half of those make continuous requests to allow more aid to enter the Strip. The only time that request was ever heard since the blockade was after the flotilla incident when Israel changed its (illegal) blockade policy.

This has to be the most stupid reasoning I have ever seen. Because Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups fire rockets and mortars into Israel, so Israel must colonize land? Hamas not following international law doesn't just give Israel a green light to violate international law. And settlements have been going since 1967, in case you were ignorant of the situation, well before Hamas was a legal charity organization in Israel.

 

Aww, nice of you to post pictures of the family.

 

I think they are cute. I like monkeys. Even if they fling poo.

 

ATW, he speaks truth here. Because Muslims want it (back?).

 

The CLA is the specific unit dealing with Gaza. Above that is the COGAT which deals with all of the territories. He did release it under orders. I never said he released it because he wanted to. Look at the document. It has COGAT at the top of every section. It was apparently officially prepared by one Col. Alex Rosensweig, head of the civilian division. That would be one of the people under Eitan Dangot.

That is from Gisha's analysis of the documents. It is because they failed to translate into a normal English idiom that it sounds weird. The formula takes the amount on hand and divides it by the daily consumption to determine how much breathing room there is. That would be the amount that exists in surplus to what is needed that day. I went over all of this pages ago. The formulas are not used to penalize the Palestinians, the formula is used to make sure that there is enough of each supply. When the breathing room gets too low, more is sent. It is right in the document itself (page 5). I don't know if those formulas are still in use though, although Gisha says some elements of the policy are.

Oh those are the only people? That is a lot of people. Of course, you left off the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (an organization under the umbrella of the Palestinian Authority), the group that is actually responsible, according to the provided document, for determining the daily consumption requirements - and thus the amount that is transferred.

Apparently those other organizations, groups, entities, and/or people should have been letting the PCBS know that their calculations of the daily consumption requirements were wrong.

You are forgetting to mention a little something called the Six Day War. In 1967 Israel captured all of the land in the combined Israel and Palestine and then some from Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. They have since given back the entire Sinai to Egypt and released many areas to the control of Palestinians. It is disengenuous to say that the settlements started in 1967, as that would imply that there were stable borders and Israel began building settlements outward from them at that time.

In addition to failing to mention the Six Day War, your entire point is undercut by the fact that Arafat and his cronies were launching attacks against Israel from Jordan prior to the Six Day War (that would be before any territory was captured). Perhaps you have heard of the Samu incident, during which an Israeli force crossed the border into Jordan to fight the Palestinians attacking from there. Hamas is just the group that is currently the biggest thorn is Israel's side, there have been others and they predate the settlements.

 

1) So you believe that the West Bank and Gaza belong to Israel because they were captured in the Six Day War?

2) You mean the one where 3 Israeli casualties from a Fatah-planted roadside mine resulted in 4,000 troops + air + tanks entering Jordan, murdering tons of people (including unrelated, non-fatah people) along with demolishing 125 buildings (which included the village medical clinic, a 6-classroom school and a workshop, in addition, one mosque and at least 28 houses). An attack that was condemned by Russia, France, the United States and Great Britain, nevermind the atrocities present in the SEPARATE report which the UN compiled.

Before you think of a response, don't forget that big daddy David Ben Gurion and legendary Moshe Dayan also were critical of the attack, agreeing that it weakened King Hussain's ability to maintain peace. In case you weren't sure if that's true, the Samu incident resulted in the militarization of all of Jordan.

Yes, they're such assholes those Palestinians. That's if you even believe there is such a thing as a Palestinian.