Israeli documents show a deliberate policy of keeping Gazans hungry

A clear demonstration of your continued idiotic dribble.

Hamas was a reaction to Israeli oppression, not the cause of it. review your history, Hamas wasn't charted until 1987. And Islamic Fundamentalism didn't gain ground until the mid 80's.

Niether side is right or in the right, but Israeli extremists carried our gruesome attacks of their own. Hamas didn't commit to suicide bombings until after Baruch Goldstein massacred 29 muslims. His grave is a holy site to many Israelis.

Learn the facts before you put up your ignorant opinions.

 

Go back to your "fake neo-con persona" and argue with yourself in your bedroom. At least you will not bore others then.

 

Where are you ATW?

 

In Germany now.

 

The only person who is boring others here is you with out limited knowledge on the subject and inaccurate statements. Your holier than thou act is as laughable as your intellect.

 

Answer the question from my original post.

 

Your posts are never original, hence no answer.

 

Nice attempt at diverting attention from the fact that you are completely ignorant on the subject. Go back to idolizing Hitler.

 

Of course you are.

 

You sound angry.

Spoiler

 

You sound stupid and ignorant.

Spoiler

http://dump.wpge.org/images/9aa12639116341df91398d2e158f5fcb.jpg

 

Yes?

Fatah seems to be doing okay in the West Bank. Fatah has food and weapons. Hamas won because the people in Gaza were not happy about Abbas and his conciliatory relations with Israel, they wanted the people that would fight Israel, and they got it.

Of course they have and can bomb the tunnels. When they find them. And Hamas can dig more tunnels. Etc. They are never going to be able to prevent the long term existence of tunnels, because it is just too easy to make them and hard to stop them from being made.

So the Israelis would rather let Hamas smuggle in supplies including weapons instead of allowing in the exact same amount of supplies through the crossings they control without the weapons because...? Your argument makes no sense. There are going to be tunnels. Israel is going to bomb the tunnels from time to time. It is not a good PR move to make it so that the Gazans need to smuggle in food in the first place.

Yes, the Hamas militants, all (or nearly all) of whom are locals, and their local supporters shoot at the IDF. They also throw rocks at the IDF. They also kidnap IDF soldiers and prevent them from being visited by humanitarian organizations. Etc.
The difference in the operation in Dubai that allowed them to kill a Hamas leader without civilian casualties is that none of the Israelis were shot at on the way in and out by the locals, who in Dubai are not members of Hamas or their active supporters.

 

I will take that as admission that I just kicked your butt all the way to the Golan Heights.

I love it when a fraud gets owned so bad their only response is to throw insults back.

 

LOL. You calling others a fraud? :grin:

 

There would be absolutely no difference whether Fatah were the leaders or Hamas. Fatah simply have more options. This gem of a political party you're praising here has been killing Palestinians for a few years now. They are no better than Hamas, they just have less of an ability to cause damage and more options.

They can bomb those tunnels every day. It is not difficult. The border is not that long. I think you are probably not familiar with the practical state of things on the Gaza-Egypt border. If these tunnels are so easy to build and use, why are Gazans starving?

They are aware that it is being smuggled in. You can unleash operation cast lead on Gaza if they are smuggling weapons, but you can't do so if you allowed it through the border yourself. Ofcourse, once the weapons start to reaching a threatening level, you bomb the tunnels. Have a look at the timeline, tell me if that has not been the exact sequence of events for a while now.

Thanks for that last part. Your post inferred that random Gazan locals were shooting at the IDF. We all know that all Gazans are locals, there is no need to state that. What you appear to be saying is that members of Hamas shoot at the IDF, which is not surprising at all. I imagine that if they weren't doing so, the IDF would be more confused than anything.

I have a question, since you claimed Fatah is doing a better job than Hamas. Why do you think settlers are more successfully stealing land in the West Bank rather than in Gaza (which I believe has zero settlements now)?

 

Of course Fatah is no gem. It is the party of Arafat after all. They are simply the lesser of two evils.

They aren't.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=189052

So they let them smuggle weapons to give themselves an excuse for going in to disarm the populace? Why go through all of that if they could keep weapons from being smuggled in? Hell, why have a blockade at all, if that was the case, they could go in even more often if Iran was allowed to just deliver weapons right into port. The whole idea makes no sense. There is no PR benefit to keeping the food levels low enough that smuggling is required. There is no need to have a blockade if they are going to allow smuggling. The whole thing is preposterous. That is like saying the DEA allows drug smuggling so that they can make drug busts. Isn't it much more likely that despite their best efforts, smuggling gets past them and the cleanup operations are necessary?

No, you inferred from my post about why it is easier to kill Hamas leaders in Dubai that I was claiming random Gazans were attacking the IDF. Such was not a rational inference to make from my post. You were just arguing against a straw man. I am happy to correct your misapprehension though.

Hmm,
Area of Gaza: 360 square kilometers
Population of Gaza: 1,551,859 people
Population density: about 4310 people per square kilometer
Area of the West Bank: 5,860 square kilometers
Population of the West Bank: 2,514,845 people
Population density: about 429 people per square kilometer
I wonder why they would make settlements in a larger area with about 1/10 the population density instead of a smaller area with 10 times the population density. It must be because they are afraid of Hamas. Either that or because of common sense.

 

Right. This is the same bull**** they have been spewing for years. I was going to attack the source, but thankfully there's an easier way.

In a place with two border entries, the level of food requested from one border has not changed. Does this automatically mean they were not starving? This is a logical conclusion?

Oh, and btw there aren't ten times less settlements in Gaza. There are NO settlements as of 2007 versus almost half a million settlers on the other side. That's approximately 7% of Israel's Israelis settled in the West Bank.

Screw it. I'm out.

 

If you were starving, and the people on the other side of the border were sending in food based on the amount you request, would you not request more?

Why would you settle anyone in an area with a population density approaching that of urban NYC?

Bye.

 

Except there is no such thing as an amount that is requested. Humanitarian aid is sent to Gaza because of the current humanitarian crisis in the Strip. The amount that goes in daily all depends on the Israeli government, who have shown total disregard for the lives of Gazans.

Why would you settle anyone onto occupied territory, knowing full well doing so is a violation of international law?

 

Genius,

There are two borders. One with Egypt and one with Israel.

For your second question, ask yourself why they did it exactly until 2007 at which point the settlements were completely evacuated. Hint hint: Hamas took control in 2007.