Israeli air attack kills 54 civilians, including 19 children

where did you read that hezbollah wont let civilians leave? proof please.

by the way remember during rita how many of us wanted to get out but couldn't? i know my family wasn't able to leave due to gas shortages even though we really wanted to. similarly many of these shia areas in lebanon are in poverty and the taxi rates right now in addition to the danger of being bombed while on the road...cause such leaving to be almost impossible.

 

Kill women and children like the good guys do?

 

its hard to leave when all your roads and bridges have been bombed out. israel drops leaflets telling citizens to get out, but they are the ones who have bombed out the escape routes. and than they are the ones bombing convoys of civilains who are only doing what israel told them to do in the first place (ie: get the hell out).

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/w....htm?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

 

So Israel is conducting self defense, and so what?

Indiscriminate and excessive killing is not acceptable self defense, it makes self defense evil. Any civilised person understands the difference between moral and evil self defense.

If I kill you, it doesn't mean your family has the right to kill all my family under the self defense bullsh%t. Don't use self defense as an excuse for excessive killing.

All this Hezbollah firing rockets from all over the village thing is just Israel propaganda and you guys are so gullible to believe it, Israelis don't value Lebonese civilian lives at all and they just want to devastate the whole village to get rid of Hezbollah influence. They don't give a sh%t to how many innocent people would have died. Demonstrated by this and other numerous incidents, the IDF is willing to kill 100 innocent men to kill one Hezbollah man, the utter disregard to human life is the very definition of evilness.

 

Oh yes, you're completely right! Hezbollah was created to invade Israel and demolish it! It had nothing to do with resisting the occupation!

 

1. This is a war of miscalculation. On both sides. Let's recount what happened so far. Hezbolla kidnapped two soldiers and launched some rockets. Israel bombed everything, building, Hezbolla, UN worker, civilian.

2. Isreal officials has said that they need to enter southen Lebanon in order to "root out" Hezbolla fighters.

3. This "rooting out" war is not happening and won't happen according to Israel military.

4. Israel continue to bomb all targets, including civilian targets.

5. So they gave up "rooting out" the terrorists, why do they continue that inefficiency approach of air-strikes? Answer: Simply because they can.


Draw the conclusion yourself.

 

The real issue here, IMO, is that Israeli officials have openly made statements to the effect of 'leveling' towns/villages from which rockets are fired (the 'everyone is a target' statements) and retaliating against civilian buildings (the 'we will destroy ten buildings for every rocket fired at Haifa' statement); these statements by some Israeli officials do, IMO, indict them to a certain extent, they establish 'intent' if nothing else, which makes you wonder if these bombings of civilian areas are premeditated.

May be instead of censoring the media, the Israelis should consider censoring their government/military officials.

 

Well, well. it seems The mollahs are hell bent on destroying iran!

 

"Kidnapped" if you believe Israeli's account, otherwise it might as well be called "captured".

 

Why can't they be like our military and not kill any civilians?

And why is the media reporting this? this will weaken moral and put the israeli troops in a bad light. They should also stop showing coffins.

 

An interesting exhange here, it's always fun seeing just how many bloodthirsty individuals there are, who wouldn't mind extinguishing as many lives as it takes to accomplish an objective (sort of sounds like how Islamic terrorists function):

Now, regardless of what Israelis think, there is still of course an awful lot of international pressure for an immediate cease-fire, but would it end up doing any good? We're going to debate that right now with Jed Babbin, a former deputy undersecretary of defense under the first President Bush. He says no to a cease-fire, that Israel needs to take out Hezbollah now.

On the other side, Ibrahim Hooper, of the Council on American- Islamic Relations, who says Israel is committing genocide, and it needs to stop now.

Glad to have both of you with us.

So, Jed, I know you think a cease-fire, an immediate one would be a huge mistake. But you got over 400 civilians killed, close to 750,000 people homeless, and the infrastructure in Beirut all but destroyed. How long would you allow this conflict to go on?

JED BABBIN, FORMER DEPUTY UNDERSECRETARY OF DEFENSE: Oh, I would not just allow it to continue for a while, Paula. It needs to be pressed harder. The Israeli people are a lot smarter than their government is.

You have to understand that the Lebanese government right now, and the Lebanese people are enslaved by a sort of Stockholm Syndrome. They were terrorized by the Syrians for years. They're now held in thrall to Hezbollah. And until we can shake them up enough, or the Israelis can, to get the Hezbollah people out of Lebanon, and there shouldn't be any thought of a cease-fire before Hezbollah quits firing rockets and releases the hostages. It's just bizarre, to be even talking about it before anything like that even happens.

ZAHN: I know, Ibrahim, you want an immediate cease-fire.

IBRAHIM HOOPER, COUNCIL ON AMERICAN-ISLAMIC RELATIONS: It's unbelievable.

ZAHN: But there are a lot of people who believe that you can't ever successfully disarm Hezbollah, and if you created a cease-fire now, you're asking for the same thing to happen again in a couple of years.

HOOPER: Exactly. You might ask your other guest the question, just how many people is he willing to kill to achieve this?

ZAHN: But that wasn't -- Ibrahim, that wasn't the question I asked you. What about the point if you call in an immediate cease- fire right now...

HOOPER: He can laugh about civilian deaths if he likes...

ZAHN: ... that what you're allowing Hezbollah to do is continue to be armed, and do the same thing all over again a couple of years down the road.

HOOPER: At the end of the day, all Hezbollah has to do is survive. And unless you are -- Israel is willing to kill every man, woman and child in Lebanon...

BABBIN: That is...

HOOPER: ... Hezbollah will survive. Israel announced today that it will treat any human being in southern Lebanon as a terrorist and will be dealt with accordingly. They also announced that any village near the site of a rocket launch will be destroyed.

If any other country on Earth did that, it would be called genocide.

BABBIN: That is so bizarre, for people to be talking -- to apologize, as this other guest is doing, to apologize for the terrorists who have been raining death...

HOOPER: Who is apologizing for Hezbollah?

BABBIN: You are apologizing for them. I am simply saying...

HOOPER: How many Lebanese would you kill...

ZAHN: Ibrahim, let Jed finish -- let Jed finish his thought here. Jed, carry on.

BABBIN: Well, basically what I'm trying to point out here is that the Lebanese government has a responsibility. No nation that pretends to have a legitimate government can use another military force or to allow another military force to attack its neighbor without suffering the consequences. The Israelis have been trying to tell those people to get out of those villages, to get away for over 10 days. Those people who are still there are at risk, absolutely.

HOOPER: How many dead Lebanese are you willing to see?

BABBIN: It is not the Israelis' fault -- I'm willing to kill as many people as it requires to take out Hezbollah. That's the fact.

HOOPER: And what does that mean? What does that mean?

ZAHN: Ibrahim, one of the things it means, and Ibrahim, you have got a quick closing thought. As Jed says, you have got to press this campaign further, and I read he even sees that eventually that could mean a strike on Syria.

Ibrahim, you...

BABBIN: Absolutely.

ZAHN: ... get the closing thought here. About 30 seconds

HOOPER: In other words, the other guest is saying basically bring on the apocalypse, and the last man standing wins.

BABBIN: That's what Mr. Ahmadinejad wants. That's his career goal. I don't think we want that.

ZAHN: All right, gentlemen, we've got to leave it there. Love to have the two of you back. I think we're going to be talking about this, given what the campaign is doing now, for weeks to come. Jed Babbin, Ibrahim Hooper, thank you both.

BABBIN: Thank you.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0607/28/pzn.01.html

 

When i said the mullah's and ahmadinejad wants a wider conflict consisting religious fantatics as suicide bombers and jihadists, some of the members here went off at the deep end on me.

 

What can be said about something this awful and tragic? If there is a silver lining to this is Israel's willingness to temporarily suspend air operations. Perhaps this incident might just shock the consciousness of enough people to end this senseless stupid conflict.

And that applies to both sides.

 

Dude, you like Hisbollah?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/18/60minutes/main550000.shtml

"Resisting the occupation" my ass. You sympathize with terrorists.

 

Israel ignores their 'cease-fire' and continues to bombard Lebannon and Hezbollah of course continues to fire their rockets...

Israeli air force continue Lebanon strikes

"It's forbidden to agree to an immediate cease-fire," Peretz told parliament, as several Arab legislators heckled him and demanded an immediate halt to the offensive. "Israel will expand and strengthen its activities against the Hezbollah."

full link

 

In a 1999 interview, Nasrallah stated "Three things comprise our minimal demand: an [Israeli] withdrawal from South Lebanon and the Western Bqa’ Valley, a withdrawal from the Golan, and the return of the Palestinian refugees. On the the future of the State of Israel he expounds: "Everybody talks nowadays about accepting the reality and coexistence, or any other form of settlement with Israel." However, he views "realism in a different way". To him, "Israel is an illegal usurper entity, which is based on falsehood, massacres, and illusions, and there is no chance for its survival."[53]

Speaking at a graduation ceremony in Haret Hreik, Nasrallah announced on October 22, 2002: "if they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."[54][55] The New York Times qualifies this as "genocidal thinking"[56], whereas the New York Sun likens it to the 1992 Hezbollah statement, which vowed, "It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last violent Zion on earth."[57] Michael Rubin qualifies his goal as genocide too, quoting Nasrallah ruling out "co-existence with" the Zions or "peace", as "they are a cancer which is liable to spread again at any moment."[58] The Age quotes him like so: "There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of the Israeli government."[59]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Ideology

 

I have to ask, did you even read the article?

Awww, how grown-up of you. How would you like to be accused of siding with war criminals?

 

Where are you getting that statement?

 

Since when was ISRAEL, "US"??

Just cause Jewish people run the United States?(you know its true)

Or because they are the World's favorite "victims" ala Holocaust.

Yeah the Holocaust was a B*TCH but if they keep this up, many will forget about that.

Seriously, 30 Children died in this blast, How is that any different from another incident where 30 children died in the holocaust? The point here is not about NUMBERS of death(no sh*t millions more died in the Holocaust vs this WAR) It's about the DISREGARD OF HUMAN LIFE. CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!

So now Israel is big bold with their mighty army. I seriously wonder what happened to the poor little Jews with no home who constantly were getting picked on by a particular NAZI Lunatic. Now that they've got some power, they're doing the SAME SH*T.