Israeli air attack kills 54 civilians, including 19 children

I guess realize that shooting rockets, fighting etc will get them nowhere and think a different approach.

And I'm not supporting Israel's violence.

 

You're not condemning it, either. Which one is it: do you believe both parties are in the wrong or are you -- if I am to infer from your posts so far -- more or less okay with Israeli actions/reactions/overreactions?

 

Sure I will condemn it. Both are in the wrong, and both are responsible for the deaths of the people.

 

We're in agreement then, thanks for the clarification...

 

Were not war crimes, no.

 

That is exactly the point. They cannot survive a direct confrontation with the IDF. So, in order to be an effective fighting force, they use the civilian population as ... wait for it ... HUMAN SHIELDS!!! That they are doing so not for the joy of it but because they feel it is necessary for them to operate effectively does not change what they are doing. They don't base themselves out in a field because they hope by basing themselves around civilians that they will not be bombed. When Israel bombs them anyway, the Israelis are the ones condemned for killing civilians. In fact, it is the terrorists (be they Hamas or Hizballah) that are putting the civilians in harm's way. That they are an ineffective fighting force in a conventional war does not justify doing so in my eyes.

 

yeah laugh it off coz u got busted

why bring up the US when it did not have anything to do with my post?

thats what I call traitor baiting.. nice try!

 

Have you provided any direct evidence of this as a known Hezbollah tactic in this instance or in this conflict as a whole or did you skip straight to assumptions that Israel would tell the truth when it comes to killing innocent civilians? I found it rather amusing myself to hear the Israeli media claim civilians couldn't get out because Hezbollah was threatening them when in fact roads and bridges everywhere, including Qana,have been torn to shreds. I suppose Israel thinks the spirit of Moses is with the Lebanese and they're just going to march for a month on foot to escape the accidentally indiscriminate Israeli bombing raids which they of course warned about after the start of the destruction of Lebanon by dropping those helpful leaflets.

 

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Personally I don't think such a powerful nation such as Israel should even bother fighting with Hezbollah…cause I think it’s morally wrong (it’s like a full grown adult fighting with a 14 year old kid (or handicapped individual), the adult should be the bigger person and not react in a violent manner…due to his knowledge that he can afflict harm on the weaker child/handicap). Don’t know if that made any sense, but that’s my perspective on things.

I think it's wrong of Israel to be reacting the way they are. There are other ways to solving problems such as these. It can be done peacefully, we all know that.

 

He didn't suggest it, he was responding to a poster who was defending that tactic.

So you are suggesting Israel is attacking populated areas for no reason what so ever and Hezbollah attacks nothing but military targets?

 

No, Cohen is pretty spot on. 'wtf' is a perfect reply to your nonsensical claims of 'traitor baiting'. Further, his reply to your claim that you could determine who was right or moral simply be counting the dead was also spot on - WWII is a good example of that.

 

i was not defending the tactic...i just said it's not like they have any other option...just stating the obvious...

 

he did not just sa wwii.. he used america as an example.. he wanted me to say something against america and call me a traitor..

so the number of jews killed by the germans does not matter?

or is counting the dead only matters for some races but not all?

 

He did not defend the use of human shields. In fact he said he doubted that it was happening.

I'm suggesting Israel talks a good game about not targeting civilans but in fact they've killed ten times as many civilians as Hezbollah and they've used the capture of two of their soldiers to once again punish civilians for the violence they're reaping due to occupation.

 

I don't think I've ever seen Cohen play the 'traitor/terrorist' game. I challenge you to find an example of him doing it. I think you're either trying to hard to anticipate his train of thought and jump ahead or you're a little paranoid. He used America and WWII as an example because WWII is widely regarded as a moral war and the Allies as the moral side in that war. Stop overthinking it.

What are you talking about? Another wtf moment from you. The point is that you cannot determine who is right or wrong only by the number of dead. Therefore saying 'more Lebanese have been killed than Israelis and that says it all' uses an incorrect assumption to make an spurious conclusion.

 

Is your contention that:
a) those are not members of Hizballah
b) that is not a civilian area
c) these pictures are fake
or
d) the idea that Hizballah does not use the civilians as human shields is a load of crap

Have you ever heard the expression, "You don't tug on Superman's cape"? How about, don't bite off more than you can chew. Israel didn't tell Hizballah to start something, but they are well within their rights to finish it.

 

You're fortunate to live without having to fear a terror attack every day.

It's obvious that you can't make peace with terrorists.

 

wtf? did you read stupidmoniker's post and my original response? who said it was a question about who's right or wrong?

it was originally a question of who more resembles the nazis.. israel or hizbollah..

he said it was hizbollah because of their rhetoric.. i said actions speak lounder than words..

so how did wwII and US came about again? you trying to compare wwii which started with germany invading other countries and japan bombing america with 2 CAPTURED soldiers?

 

While they have the right to try and finish it, they don't have a right for any action that they feel is ok. There are still limits.