Hey I can agree with that. The two situations are very similar. The colonizers and colonized must come to term with each other and live together with equal rights for all.
But the process to get there requires concessions on both sides. And both sides have to be committed to the process, and trust that over time a peaceful solution can be arrived at. It may not be smooth sailing. There are forces on both sides that will try to sabotage it through "retaliatory" attacks. It will require great resolve to not allow such attacks to derail the peace efforts. There are Israelis and Palestinians who would probably say this is asking too much of them. But I see no other way for the conflict to come to an end with both People's dignity and freedom intact.
It's not insulting to you man. Maybe it's time to realize that one of the main reason's FOR the Holocaust was so that TODAY people from all over feel sorry for Israel. So that TODAY they can get away with all sorts of atrocities while they carry out the USA's orders. Now that, is the true insult. They've gotten away with it for decades, and no one seems to question it, because 60 years ago, the same type of people who dictate everything that happens in politics killed 6+ million innocents who definitely didn't agree with their Zionist plans. Love Jews, hate Zionists.
In Northern Ireland they also clearly had folks on both sides who wanted to sabotage the agreement through violence. South Africa also offers hope. I used to believe in the two state solution, but now I think we are going to eventually see one state with libery and justice for all. It solves a lot of problems except for the desire to have a ste with more rights for Jews. As in South Africa I do think Israelis will be very dominant economically initally , but the Palestinians are very similar (same genetics fwiw, though I don't put much stock in that). I think it will be a great relief for many Israelis, despite Holocaust fear mongering, as they must know in their hearts somewhere ,what is just. The fact that less than 100 years ago the two groups lived in peace, prior to the Euro Jews immigrating offers some hope. I personally think that the arc of history bends towards justice and civil rights and the Zionist project is losing at an accelerated rate.
Is it possible to be more ignorant, idiotic, and insulting than this? Surely it is, but I must have missed it.
I've been saying for awhile that one of the best things the US could do to advance peace is to cut off US aid to Israel. Israel is militarily stronger than its neighbors and also has nukes. There is no way any of its neighbors could wipe it out of existence even if Israel doesn't have aid. At the sametime the costs of building and protecting settlements has to take a toll on their economy. I believe that if Israel is forced to bear solely the costs of providing for the defense and functioning of Israel proper, the settlements and occupation they will quickly realize that they cannot afford to do all of that and will pull back to roughly the 1967 borders.
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Obama would get roasted by both sides. It's the same reason why we havent lifted Cuban Sanctions. Common sense is not a pre-requisite in politics.
I honestly still don't understand fully why America's support of Israel is so important and essential. The reasons I've heard of are regional oil, Iran (though Israel hugely pre-dates the Iran threat), and I remember someone mentioning that Israel has to be formed for the Messiah to return? I'd really appreciate if someone could list the reasons and rank them in order of importance.
Mathloom, I've asked this qn on the board before as it makes little strategic sense to me too, and the best answer I've gotten is that its the pro-Israel lobby. The recent letter to Hilary where 327 members of congress from both the dems and repubs effectively showed support for Israel showed just how strong the lobby is. This was just days after Obama got a little bit tough on Netanyahu regarding the peace process and after Israel effectively gave the Obama admin a slap to the face, announcing settlements during Biden's visit there. Immediately after being so bitterly divided over HCR, the only issue congress could be bi-partisan on was support for Israel, even if it undermined their own president's position on Israel.
This makes even LESS sense. Take Arabs for example, who actually own the oil. They have a lobby as well. What does the Israeli lobbyist have to offer that's so special?
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374177724 I've answered this question before and I've repeatedly urged people to read this book. There's too many points to discuss. It would require its own thread because so many ignorant posters might not read it in here. Btw, has nothing to do with oil.
Hmmm. I will get this book, but quite frankly they don't seem very genuine in their interviews and the rebuttals seem to be quite logical. Their principle focus, if you watch them a little bit, appears to be "and no one else dared to do it" or "in fact we are the first and only ones" or "we are the ones breaking this taboo" etc etc.. It seems, to me at least, to be very marketing-oriented. What do you think? I haven't read it obviously so what I'm describing is from articles, videos, reviews, interviews, etc..
