Israel says it was a tragic error responsible for UN killings

"Guilty until proven" doesn't work on international affairs. For almost all matters, there is no way to collect evidence nor prove anything. It is not like you can get a warrant to search suspect's home, computer records, when two countries are in dispute. And there is not such a court to judge who is guilty and who is not, not on things like this.

The speculation of why NATO bombed Chinese embassy sounds much more credible than the dumb explanation US gave. It is not just I think that way. If you read the articles someone else quoted above, you will some NATO insiders also think that way.

For the last time, I AM open to CREDIBLE explanation. But if A shoots B in the head 4 times and claims his gun misfired, I am FORCED to believe A committed a crime.

 

And I cannot help noticing you haven't even attempted to provide your version of explanation why such blunder could ever happen.

You made a lot of claims on "chinese rewriting history" when you didn't even know half of the information. Why are you becoming gun shy now?

 

In war, stuff happens. Maybe they targeted the wrong building...and when they realized it, they had to give an explanation other then "whoops"...so they said they used an outdated map. Better then says "whoops" we just messed up. Maybe it was intentional. Maybe someone thought it was some other building but the military didn't want to reveal what the actual target was.

WHO KNOWS!

 

Exactly "who knows?!". It's all possible. To me and many others, the explanation given wasn't very credible. If that's good enough for you, that's fine. But before you can prove it with facts and data, you can't say for sure that it was that way. The only thing you could say is that you believed it was unintentional, or you chose to believe it was unintentional. Nobody here said it's 100% intentional, and it's not verifible. To ask those people not involved to explain the motive, that's not very realistic. Whatever motive anyone suggests, whether you agree or not, it only proves that you two believe the same thing or disagree on something, it has nothing to do with the real fact. I don't know where you are going with this. As you said, you don't know for sure, maybe this or that. Nobody knows for sure. So let's leve it at that: it could be intentional or unintentional, and no proof has suggested either way.

 

Exactly. Juries cannot even reach unanimous decision most of the time, when given all the evidences in the world. I am not forcing NewYorker to agree with me on this issue, but he certainly seems to have a big problem with my disagreeing with him.

 

But you said you were sure. Are you changing your mind now?

 

I said "I am open to credible explanation" and "I am sure Chinese didn't buy that outdated map explanation". I don't buy that explanation myself. Neither do a lot of people.

Did I ever say I had evidence to prove one way or the other? No. I said if the wrongdoers does nothing except making an apparent dumb lie, and when it is impossible to conduct a formal investigation, I am forced to believe the wrongdoers are guilty. I also said if a credible explanation comes up, I will look at the issue again.

I did not change my mind. You just have to jump on anyone who appears to be "pro-china". The thread was about people not believe Israel's bombing UN post was an error. You had no problem with that. But you had problem with people believing US bombed Chinese embassy intentionally. What does it say about you?

 

So in one reply you say you agree with "who knows" but now you say the U.S. is guilty???

So the difference between me an you is that i say "I don't know why the U.S. bombed the Chinese Embassy"...

whereas you say "The U.S. is guilty of bombing the Chinese Embassy on purpose despite the lack of any kind of evidence".

Ok....I am beginning to see the way you think...