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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Oct 6, 2023.

  1. DatRocketFan

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    I just find it sickening that the moment u criticize Israel for bombing rando targets killing innocent palestines, and with holding water, food + electricity, you are considered antisemitic and muslim by folks that are too bias, blind pro-israel

    Any country that does this sht would get criticism from me regardless.
    ATW is one of the bigger hypocrite about this topic. Btches and moan about the evil of the world and how he needs to protects his kids from it, but is fine and dandy with Israel bombing the sht out of Gaza killing innocent parents that had no chance of protecting their kids.

    Lack of empathy is astounding
     
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  2. fchowd0311

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    He just likes a post stating that Palestinians breed like rats. He thinks of Palestinians as subhuman also. Dude has zero introspective abilities and if this dude went through the trauma of your typical Gaza city kid he'd be first in line to go into Israel and murder some innocent civilians. He just doesn't have the introspection skills to realize it. Dude is deranged and in the past 10 years has shown a consistent pattern of finding a new group of humans to dehumanize from Muslims to trans people.
     
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    I was not able to find a quote of him wanting to kill all Palestinians or Arabs. I can find quotes of Hamas wanting to kill all Jews and Israelis. The reason why Hamas wants to kill everyone that lives in Israel is because they believe Palestine should have more land in Israel, and not just in the West bank.
     
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  4. DatRocketFan

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    People need to understand the distinction that Hamas doesn't represent all of Palestine. A view of an extremist/terrorist doesn't mean everybody feels the same way.

    We have domestic MAGA terrorists, but they don't represent all of republicans or even the left side of the political scale.

    If people can't even realize that distinction, folks are just hating on palestine for reasons other than the terrorist acts aka religion.
     
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    It's funny how the only people who don't know he only cares for himself are MAGATS @Salvy
     
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  6. fchowd0311

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    The concept of Palestinians not supporting Hamas is very complicated.

    You have to understand the conditions of the Gaza strip which you seem to be capable of as you've shown to be capable of empathy. It's a closed off people packed into a sardine can without basic things like medical infrastructure. Hamas leadership aren't dumb. They understand basic optics and propaganda. At the ground level your typical Gaza city teen is being medically related at Hamas run clinics. They are being fed in Hamas run food banks. When ordinance drops killing their family members, they see Hamas as the only entity with the will to strike back. These conditions allow propaganda to easily proliferate. You can see how easy it is for your average Gaza city teen to see Hamas in a good light. I'm not saying anything Hamas does in terms of helping Palestinians in Gaza as altruistic. They do it for optics and to gain support. It's in bad faith
     
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    You don't have to find quotes of him saying explicitly to kill all Palestinians. Basic dehumanization rhetoric of Arabs and Palestinians especially when he was younger and in the IDF shows thow he views them as subhuman. That's all you need to confirm they are willing to commit genocide. When you see another group as subhuman.

    Like you saying Palestine breed like rats is exactly what I mean by genocidal thoughts. You need to think of a group of people in that manner to have genocidial thoughts.
     
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  8. FranchiseBlade

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    This war and these actions don't really help anyone. They don't help Israel, and they don't help the Palestinians. The cycle will just continue.

    Nobody is getting benefit from any of this.
     
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  9. cdastros

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    Hamas are a dictators of Gaza. They run the police, military, education and everything else in Gaza. If Donald trump installed himself as dictator then that would be like what Gaza is like.
     
  10. DatRocketFan

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    like i said just b/c a person is in power doesn't mean everybody supports it.

    Do u think every folk in our country love and support Trump when he was our president? fk no.
     
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  11. fchowd0311

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    I don't think we can compare a situation of comfortable first world Americans voting in a fascist to a people who experienced severe trauma and PTSD as children and teens supporting a violent militants organization.
     
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  12. right1

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    You have always seemed like a respectful, intelligent person and I've enjoyed your insider information and personal takes on the Astros forum, so I'll take the time to address this post further.

    We are all aware that the Jews have been displaced out of Jerusalem-Palestine-Israel many times throughout history.
    Assyrians 702 B.C.
    Babylonians 586 B.C.
    Romans
    Byzantine Christians 500 A.D.

    Which takes us to 637 A.D. and the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem. Are you aware that Muhammad's father in law, Umar the first caliph, actually encouraged the Jews to return to Jerusalem? It is one of the themes of the Quran, that other people (Roman/Byzantine occupiers) were living in the houses and dwelling places of the Jews.
    Then came the Crusades and Jews were slaughtered or faced forced conversion again.
    With the Ottoman Conquest of Jerusalem-Palestine-Israel, the early Ottoman rulers (at first) again encouraged Jews to return to Jerusalem.

    All of that is ancient history.

    There has always been a Jewish population in Jerusalem-Palestine-Israel, although at times it has dwindled due to all of the above conquests and persecutions.

    In modern times, during the 19th century, the Jewish population of Jerusalem was the majority. Are you aware that any census taken after 1831, the population of Jews in Jerusalem was between 47%-58%? Look at the historical demographics during this time.

    I don't know if you are unaware, ignorant or being disingenuous when you imply that the "white man" just dropped the entire population of Jews back into the land of Palestine-Israel. There were many thousands of Jews living there well before 1947. Look at the population of Jerusalem in 1850, 1880 and 1931. Jews.

    Yes, Britain and U S. were obviously key in forming an official State and government of Israel after WW2, but the population of Jews did not just appear out of nowhere. The large population increase happened after 1967 as populations increased exponentially not only in Israel, but all over the world. Yes, Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews immigrated to Israel after the formation of the official state of 1947, but not to the the degree that you imply by saying the "white man" dropped them all into the land

    I am not Jewish, but my best friend's family is Israeli and they are some of the descendants of Jews who were living in Israel long before 1947.

    Also, when you say something to be disrespectful towards people's faith and religion by referring to a "mythical sky god" you are doing just that ..being disrespectful and rude to people. But, you should know, that instead of being called out on a message board, if you wrote or said the same thing in Iran, Afghanistan, to Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc., you would not just be called out for it, but, at the very least, jailed or more likely killed after making that statement.

    Also, you are off by about 2,000+ years when you are referring to the book that you say "claims Jews are better than everyone else "

    And, your comment of "white man decided to help keep the Jews from being slaughtered by the Muslims - who hate Jews as much as the white man did at the time." is disrespectful as hell to the hundreds of thousands of Allied forces who gave their lives fighting alongside Jews in some cases and paying the ultimate price, as my grandfather did, to eradicate those ****ing Nazis from the face of the Earth.
     
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    The concept of a Jewish population existing there before the creation of the state and that the Arabs that lived in that region before were displaced and lost agency in their own governance are not mutually exclusive
     
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    CNN begging for war with iran also. Sad we've learned nothing
     
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    What are your thoughts of a Jewish lawyer in Brooklyn living a upper middle class life migrating their family to the West Bank and displacing a Palestinian family that has lived there for decades and don't have a comfortable western standard of living to fall back to?

    That situation I explained cannot be explained without invoking the concept of a mythical sky god. Yes that migration from a comfortable upper middle class standard of living in a safe modern western developed neighborhood to a settlement that has sporadic violence can only be explained by irrational beliefs in a "magical sky man".
     
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  17. Space Ghost

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    Skip the history lesson and the atrocities. The grand problem is dated religious beliefs and as far as I am concerned, nobody has rights to this land based on religious beliefs. Its archaic and ignorant.

    That said, I fully expect Israel to block their statehood. Whether that is right or wrong is irrelevant. Neither will be happy until the other is gone.

    If the people of Palestine want statehood, they need to demonstrate they can keep the extremist at bay. Its clear they are not ready for statehood.

    That said, I dont believe Israel did not know about the pending attacks and they allowed them to happen to destroy Hamas. I think that is equally as wrong. That is my conspiracy theory.
     
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  18. fchowd0311

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    And this is why I believe the West doesn't value Palestinian life the same as an Israeli life. You will not see CNN ask Israalis in mid interview if they condemn the actions of the IDF like every interview of a Palestinian asking them to condemn Hamas.
     
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  19. cdastros

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    I did not call Palestinians rats anymore than you did. Elon Musk thinks Americans should bread like rats to fix population decline. I am not calling Americans rats. Hamas publicly saying kill all Jews is not close to equivalent to Benjamin Netanyahu potentially implying Palestine's are sub-human.
     
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    I think you are naive and can't comprehend basic human emotions. No, any idea that Palestinians will "mature" now under conditions of limited education opportunities, limited resources, sporadic cleansing of neighborhoods through ordinance drops will foster a growth of a maitre rational people is kinda insane.

    There was a time that could have happened and it was when the PLO was rising and doing actual adult things like taking the right steps to form a secular government and BIbi for scared that the international community will see the claims of statehood for Palestine as more legitimate so he stuck a fundenantalist religious political organization on the PLO to get them out.

    The plan worked beautifully for Bibi. Like perfectly.
     

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