I dont know why you think you can get under my skin by making some ridiculous attacks. I don't drink. You dont get me irritated. You're a braindead moron cosplaying as a libertarian cuz youre too ashamed to admit you're a MAGAT. There's nobody on these forums who's a bigger dipshit than you
It has been pretty widely publicized, even I was a bit shocked tbh. Good read, verifiable quotes cited. Specifically from herzog confirming the Biden administration never once came to them asking for a ceasefire https://mondoweiss.net/2025/05/bide...new-white-house-lied-about-ceasefire-efforts/
Yes i read the piece. That has nothing to do with what I said. The offical policy of Israel + State department was there would be no annexation of Gaza. Yes Biden ****ed up with gaza and only a dumbass would argue otherwise but that has no barring on allowing Israel to annex gaza. They wanted to eliminate Hamas and give the PLA power to oversee Gaza was the offical US policy. Trump policy of building resorts in gaza and annexing west bank is 1000x worst
Why is Trump seemingly abandoning Israel? What did Bibi do to what should’ve been his literal Trump card? Trump is reportedly going to recognize Palestine, make peace with Iran and allow them to keep their nuclear program, have made peace with the Houthis, and are now negotiating with Hamas for the release of Israeli American hostages against Israel’s wishes. Something fishy for sure.
He could be upset with waltz and israel going behind his back to have discussions. He could also be tired of the zionist regime constantly meddling in any and every negotiation. Times of Israel
Mike Waltz pretty much engaged in open treason. Was secretly working with Netanyahu to undermine what Trump and team were doing with respect to Iran It’s kind of crazy when you’re doing the bidding of another country (that literally depends on you) instead of your own
Maybe Iran is taking a card from Putin's playbook, to manipulate Trump, and string him along, then do the opposite of what they said they would do. They'd both love to destroy Western Democracies, that's for sure. I wouldn't trust either of those leaders.
It's still seemingly out of nowhere. Maybe this is the JD Vance clique whispering into Trump's busted ear. But if Trump gets MAGA to turn against against Bibi, anything is possible.
I fully expect this about face to go back to status quo. From experience, there is no way any of this lasts from Trump.
I think many in his circle like Tulsi Gabbard don't trust Israel or it's lobby steering us into a costly engagement with Iran. Israel views a nuclear Iran as an existential threat whereas many in the region including it's allies think nuclear proliferation as an inevitable choice. Making nukes has become easier and easier as the years pass. The main technical bottleneck has been enrichment which the Obama deal addressed. Well Bibi hated the Obama deal and he personally went to Washington and lobbied to Congress against him and the deal, a big no no. 45 pounced on that opportunity and went even further with the Abraham Accords to ring fence Iran with American grab bag of military and financial goodies. What changed with 47 imo is their singular foreign policy focus on containing China with the current power we have. That means being a simp for Putin and pretending he's a peaceful guy. It also means realizing the Obama deal was the best deal at the time and his deal won't be as comprehensive without redrawing Iran relations. He's told Europe they're on their own and if they want Ukraine, they gotta **** or get off the pot. The breadth and scope of cooperation of BRICS + SCO to keep Russia alive in the Ukrainian proxy war should be an eye opener to them Trump wanted to end the Ukraine war but he can't because Putin sacrificed future cows to sustain a wartime economy. He never wanted Chinese migrants farming in an area Russia took over in 91, but he cashed that and many other things to survive. Maybe that's why he's not serious about peace when he stands to gain more land with a drawn out fight. When he was campaigning, Trump likely bought into perceptions of Putin's weakness. Invading Iran would likely be twice the scale of Iraq and Afghanistan combined. Our relative tech superiority has diminished while Iran has been prepping since Bush. Similar arrangements with China and it's partners would probably be struck where the only focus is their government's survival at the cost of everything else. Instead of yet another quagmire that plays into Bibi's hands with zero ****ing benefit to Americans, Trump would rather try the other route and see how it plays. Maybe use elements of the Iran deal to ring fence China (as unlikely as Putin doing the same) or make them neutral combatants. We don't need the oil in that region. We prop it up to maintain a world order maga hates despite the cheap and convenient goods all Americans enjoy. Israel can't play the victim card and drag us into trillions dollar wars while doing it's own thing like selling our joint tech to China. If they want to be big players, cut off their allowance and let them do the hard work. If not, don't bite the hand that feeds you and kiss ass better than Kier Starner.
@El_Conquistador @Salvy @Commodore what do you guys think? You two are the closest aligned to MAGA here. Is Trump losing it by, on the face of it, turning against Bibi's Israel or is this something actually being debated in your parts of the web and a reflection of what y'alls movement is trying to achieve in the Middle East? Or is it a nothing burger being promoted by bots online? @Space Ghost what about you
True Maga only cares about America, I may side with Israel on some issues but America will always be first...
The Israelis said they will make definitive moves if the US pulls away support, I expect more of this: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hj2alsezel How Israel is quietly moving toward de facto annexation in the West Bank Government fast-tracks legislation normalizing settlement expansion, including land reclassification and natural gas access, as experts warn moves will further inflame tensions and risk any chance of future peace
@LosPollosHermanos annexing the west bank and occupying gaza means the Palestinians have no land left. Sick stuff
I think you are missing the fact that Bibi will undermine and abandon his own country if it helps him stay in power and help himself. The only thing I see here is Trump saying whatever to people’s faces in the Middle East to get himself another billion here and there from a Middle East dictator here and there. However no actual policy is being made. It’s all bullsh$t theatre to enrich himself via his meme coin money laundering scheme, or the occasional half a billion dollar plane. I doubt Bibi really cares. He’s corrupt and evil but he’s no fool. He can use it to tell Israel that they have to actually be more aggressive with their attacks. The only policy I see this furthering is the policy of continuing conflict and violence. Trump is telling the Arab dictators that they don’t have to worry about mass migration, he’s telling the Palestinians they should stay because MAYBE eventually the US will help them establish a state, and he’s telling Israel they can do whatever they want to ensure Palestinians have nowhere to go and you can do whatever you want with them cornered and desperate. What could go wrong?
Would we need to “invade” Iran like Iraq? Israel determined our air superiority tech can take out their air defenses and even strike a nuclear research facility outside of Tehran.
