Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

I never said it was a net positive. Obviously the loss of life and destruction has been catastrophic. What you fail to understand is that the Palestinians have tried everything from peaceful protests to other forms of non-violent resistance and Operation Al-Aqsa Flood was essentially their Plan Z. Another thing you continue to fail to understand is that the Palestinians have never been offered a fair or practical deal or have entered any negotiations with the occupiers in which the latter is operating in good faith (i.e the Partition plan you brought up where the minority population was getting a majority of the land and demonstrably determined to obtain more).

 

Terrorist groups are terrorist groups. I never support terrorists. That crap going on in the Middle East will never change. Those wars have been going on for centuries. I just don't believe in bombing and killing an entire population who don't want to leave, including innocent civilians and people who aren't terrorists or even military soldiers because of terrorists among them.

 

1. Do I believe all Palestinians are Hamas? No. 1st, there is no such thing as a Palestinian, they are Arabs who were subjects of the portion of the Ottoman Empire that was captured by the UK. There has never been a nation called Palestine. 2nd, half the people who are generally called Palestinians have nothing to do with Hamas.
2. Is it fine for Israel to say they will keep bombing and killing Palestinians until Gaza is "entirely destroyed" and the Palestinians still alive are forced out into other countries? Yes. In fact, it is nearly 80 years too late. There is no reason Israel should allow this aggression against them, doing so in the past has only invited additional attacks. They should go for total victory, the one thing you can do that generally leads a long period of peace.

 

sadly, the Palestinians are now in "prove it" mode. they must be assumed to be Hamas, until they can demonstrate otherwise.

 

Technically both Palestinians and Jews are semites and descendants of Abraham.

Regardless of how territory was colonized fundamentally it a hard case to make that descendants of Abraham have no claim on any part of the Middle East in that region.

This should be a reminder to those who want to Christian nationalize America how dangerous it can be to go that route and realize how good we’ve had it the past couple decades to truly melt a pot and have a peaceful multi cultural society. Notice I said past couple decades because that obviously hasn’t always been true with slavery and the civil war. However it’s pretty freaking infuriating that so many cannot realize how good we have had it post civil rights.

In the region Palestinians have as much claim as anyone. Unless you want to disregard history and draw lines based on colonized lines of determination. If you want to do that fine, but you also still cannot disregard the argument they have as well. It is still an argument and a claim regardless of the rules you want to go by.

 

While certainly perpetuative of the plight of the Palestinian people by playing right into Hamas' plot, does not also this behavior warrant further condemnation for demonstrating, on its surface, the very epitome of illiberalism, fascism, and even racism - standing ignorant of its irony as the antithesis of higher education?

 

Such a liberal thing to post. No concern for babies being bombed to smithereens but the utmost concern for a zionist agitator crying about not being able to get into a building that public safety wasn't letting anybody into. Pathetic.

 

The sooner we decouple from that nazi-like state the sooner there will be peace in that region. No more letting them drag us into wars and conflicts. Let them suffer the consequence of their own actions and learn to fend for themselves.

 

Your beloved democratic party's leaders would never dare going behind their master bibi's back and doing something like this.

 

This seems like a good time to post some Rush lyrics from the song "Territories" off of the Power Windows (1985) album. Some very intelligent lyrics written by one Neil Peart. Seem as relevant as ever.

I see the Middle Kingdom between Heaven and Earth
Like the Chinese call the country of their birth
We all figure that our homes are set above
Other people than the ones we know and love
In every place with a name
They play the same territorial game
Hiding behind the lines
Sending up warning signs

The whole wide world
An endless universe
Yet we keep looking through
The eyeglass in reverse
Don't feed the people
But we feed the machines
Can't really feel
What international means
In different circles, we keep holding our ground
In different circles, we keep spinning round and round

We see so many tribes -- overrun and undermined
While their invaders dream of lands they've left behind
Better people -- better food -- and better beer
Why move around the world when Eden was so near?
The bosses get talking so tough
And if that wasn't evil enough
We get the drunken and passionate pride
Of the citizens along for the ride

They shoot without shame
In the name of a piece of dirt
For a change of accent
Or the colour of your shirt
Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colourful rag is unfurled

 

What you posted is outdated and was from only a few months into the genocide. Take a look at what the latest reports are saying in regards to biden's pressure on bibi (or lack thereof).

Despite his animosity toward Netanyahu, Biden stood by Israel through the end of his term.

“This was the most significant political peril of Joe Biden’s political career. The easiest thing for Joe Biden… to do if he was worried about the votes in Michigan, is to basically get a little soft. He refused to do it,” Nides said.

“There was an enormous pressure on [Biden] inside the White House to change his position. So, when I hear comments about [how] he wasn’t good enough, or he didn’t have Israel’s back, am I disgusted by it? 100%. Is it true? 100% no.”

“God did the State of Israel a favor that Biden was the president during this period, because it could have been much worse. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted,” the former Israeli ambassador Izaaq Herzog said.

TIMES OF ISRAEL

For Sanam Vakil of Chatham House, “Donald Trump’s pressure tactics and warnings to Hamas and Israel” were effective in reviving the drawn-out negotiations. “The Biden administration proved unwilling to exert adequate pressure on Israel’s leadership,” he said.

Frustrated Arab leaders and their officials had been imploring Biden to do so for months. But Biden and his aides were reluctant — most likely for fear that it would have cost their party Jewish-American votes and political donations ahead of the election. And they were seemingly wary of giving Republicans the opportunity to argue that Democrats were deserting America’s key Middle East ally.

POLITICO

Genocide joe refused to get a little soft like the article said. Recall that even under reagan, all it took was for him to see images of one dead Lebanese child before he picked up the phone to call the occupiers demanded they ceasefire now and 20 mins later the bombs stopped. Regan even said what the zionists were doing to the Lebanese was akin to a holocaust. meanwhile joe brandon illegally bypassed congress approval to send daily weapons shipments to the genocidal state as they livestreamed a mass baby-killing campaign.

Biden chose to prioritize the zionist vote over all else but this libtard insists it was pro-Palestinian activists that cost him them the election lmao. he is not a person to be taken serious.

 

Bidens own staffers have come out and stated that it was all a mirage, he had no redlines and pretty much signed off on anything

I don’t trust Trump on this, he gave Bibi the middle finger but his allegiances change with the wind

 

good god man. sober up already. Everything you ask is readily available on google. just look it up instead of being a lazy grifting medical sales man