Here is a test to show if you see Palestinians as equal humans to Jewish people in the Levant. Do you believe Palestinians are responsible enough humans to be equal citizens in a singular secular state with Jewish citizens in the region? This singular state is no longer called Israel. It is some other state that incorporates all residents in the region as equal citizens.
So it doesn't really seem like your making any attempt to refrain from telling me what I think instead of asking me. There is nothing to be afraid of... In fact, quite the contrary.
"Terrorist" is a modern term weaponized by former colonial entities that are the world's modern hegomonic powers to suppress any type of resistance as morally evil at face value where us citizens exposed to the media of these powers are conditioned to hear the word "terrorist" and assume many things at face value. It is a term that suppresses any form of sincere curiosity to a conflict. I believe the IDF is a morally worse entity than Hamas. Try to have a conversation without politically charged terms. If you want to use "terrorist" use the term but with its definition. Say "the people who attack civilian populations for political ends". When you frame it like this then you see the IDF as the morally worse entity as they unloaded 2 Hiroshima level nuclear bombs worth of ordinance on one of the most dense civilian populations on the planet in a time frame of one year.
Your rhetoric is what makes it obvious that you see Palestinians as subhuman. If you believe these people aren't responsible enough to be equal citizens then you believe they are subhuman. It's very simple my dude.
Thank you for treating me like a human being with agency by asking me what I think. Palestinians? Of course! I pray that the day will come when they free themselves of the tyranny of their oppressors {Hamas and those like them} and unite to form a leadership structure that more accurately represents the values of the Palestinian people {at least the ones I know}. Do you agree? I do not see a way forward that is safe and beneficial to the Palestinian and Israeli peoples until this new order is established and stable enough to ensure its validity {as opposed to another violent terrorist organization in disguise, which is a valid concern and one voiced with the interest of a sustainable security and peace for both peoples}. Their current and much of their former leadership? Well, killing every Jew on Earth WAS FOR A FACT in their charter, so... No.
Dude even Christian Palestinians see the IDF as their oppressors, not Hamas. Hamas has all time popularity in Gaza right now. Ya surprise 12 year olds who see the Star of David spray painted on their rubbled home that have the corpses of their parents still underneath are going to be drawn to the entity physically fighting the group that did that to their family.
You did. By believing that if we created one secular state in the region where everyone in the region were the citizens of this new secular state, you would believe that the Palestinians having the numbers can vote in a pogrom of Jews if Palestinians were equal citizens to Jewish people in this new hypothetical secular state.
Ok... Are you, then, proposing that Israel, upon forfieting her sovereignty, include these people you say are drawn to commit violence against her own people in the invitation to unite as one country?
Yes. Do you think the Boers or Confederate slave holders in South Africa and the United States didn't express the same logical reasoning as you are now? "If we give them equal rights, they gonna kill us all".
If what you say is true about Hamas' popularity and the willingness of the Palestinian population to follow them into commiting violence against Israelis is as ubiquitous as I think you are indicating {I could be wrong}, help me understand how NOT having a concern about the persecution of Israelis upon the sudden and mass introduction of a population wherein the popularity of a committment to "physically fight" them is "at an all time high" is reasonable or rational in any way? I am trying to understand your position. You think I'm subhuman because I don't think it's a responsible thing to do to invite a large group of people who want to kill you to share your country and government?
"We've oppressed these people too much. That means they have to in perpetuity be stripped of basic self rights" Imagine saying this about Jews in Europe. Hell, there were some Jewish terror groups right after WW2 that almost successfully executed a terror attack on the water supply of major German cities that could have resulted in millions of civilian deaths. They failed but the leaders of their group settled in Israel and were praised as heros. Are we asking if Jews in Europe should not be equal citizens because if they do they might use their citizenship as a weapon to kill inflict punishment on non-jews? Do we think in that manner when it comes to freeing slaves today? Slaves were raped, murdered, families separated etc. Do we today look back at the feeding of African slaves as a violent risk of freed slaves murdering all where people? .
Absolutely. You think they are subhuman and don't deserve equal rights. You even frame it as "invited" as if these people's direct immediate family lineage isn't part of this land they are on. You still see them not part of the land when you use the term "invite".
What's even more sickening is you give these people no vector to escape their oppression. Look at the ease of an Israeli Jew and their access to safe western harbors of living a modern comfortable lifestyle where they can immediately travel to any European country or the US within a single day of planning for a trip. Look at how hard it is for Palestinians to escape their persecution. A Palestinian if lucky will have a two year process of trying to immigrate to he US or Europe. And that's the lucky ones. Palestinians are stuck there. You want to continue their existence of being stateless and restrict their movements to not being allowed to live a dignified life outside these means of control that are put up on the Palestinians. They are a group of people that have nowhere to go besides the land underneath them. When I hear a Israeli citizen speak of fear of Hamas with a Brooklyn accent I get enraged. It ****ing pisses me off this clown with a Brooklyn accent is waxing lyrical about how unsafe that feels. Maybe go back to the Long Island and continue your law practice if you feel so god damn unsafe.
The premise of this question is ridiculous for myriad reasons. Let's start with the fact that none of those groups were governed by a group that LITERALLY HAD WE GONNA KILL THEM ALL as their mission statement who's popularity is at an all time high {assuming that is true} after skull ****ing the other group's children at a music festival celebrating peace, for one. Is it your position that this cultural pillar that is so popular RIGHT NOW and vital enough to their identity that they put it in their charter will suddenly vanish and the popular committment to killing Jews will completely subside upon the ratification of this hypothetical singular state,
Yes a 1987 peice of paper authored by a singular unhinged person before Hamas had the level of modern organization means Palestinians in perpetuity want to genocide Jews. . Is there all you have to cling to? A 1987 document? I can point to Knesset members that are active today expressing genocidal rhetoric of Arabs and Palestinians. Today. As we speak. Does that mean Israeli citizens don't have a right to self determination because there are unhinged Knesset members? Why don't you use the 2017 document as Hamas' charter? Because it doesn't have any antisemetic language. Because it explicitly states Jews have equal rights. That's why you don't want to use that document and refer back to some old 1987 piece of paper. It's actually kinda of crazy how much more careful modern Hamas members are compared to Israeli officials in expressing language describing their opposition. Modern Israeli leaders are far more open about their genocidal intents than Hamas. Hamas has the basic pr sense to avoid any rhetoric about "Jews" while Israeli leaders have been emboldened to say unhinged things about Muslims and Arabs in general because the Western support gives them a ease of comfort in saying that stuff without any repercussions.
And unfortunately it works like a charm. Western leftists are the absolute worst individuals in the world for the cause. They sit there living in their AC and western life cosplaying as activists telling Palestinians they should hold out for absolute maximalist goals that have a zero percentage of happening. The Palestinians have been betrayed by their own leaders for decades now.
The idea that Palestinians in Gaza do the things they do because of leftists in the West erases the trauma and experiences they endure that get them to believe the things they do and do the things they do. Nah dawg. Palestinians in Gaza aren't taking orders from leftists on social media. This take has the logical underpinnings of the average MAGA conspiracy. Leftists aren't asking Palestinians to take any actions. They are asking our government to take actions in removing ties from Israel. You think leftists are asking 12 year olds to take up arms and fight Israeli tank battalions? You insane? Where do you pick up these ideas?
Hamas 100% uses propaganda from western activists. Last year during the election Hamas showed videos of western lefties protesting and marching to show Palestinians that "liberation" was right around the corner and the evil israelis were going to be eliminated. Hamas uses people like you to push their agenda. Arafat should've taken the offer on the table that Clinton offered them. Every offer they get from now until the end of time will be considerably worst and worst. Palestinians should sign whatever deal they can get and count it as a blessing. Your fantasy utopia of a one state solution where Palestinians and Israelis will be on equal playing will never happen Western activists are the WORST thing for Palestinians.
