Here is the Jewish voice for peace (JVP) vision: We envision a world where all people — from the U.S. to Palestine — live in freedom, justice, equality, and dignity. Like generations of Jewish leftists before us, we fight for the liberation of all people. We believe that through organizing, we can and will dismantle the institutions and structures that sustain injustice and grow something new, joyful, beautiful, and life-sustaining in their place... Baseless hippie utopia. Justice for all but the Bay Bridge commuters. East Bay is known for their "organizing" for sake of organizing and no valid agenda/ideas.
I do wonder. The US and Europe is pushing Ukraine to talk peace with Russia after an apparent military stalemate. They don't want to pay for the war effort anymore. Ukraine is often being accused for not being fully Democratic and of being corrupt. With Israel vs Palestine, the peace push is less prominent it seems. Despite the prime Minister being in power for what seems like forever and also beeing accused of corruption three times I think. So the main difference is that Israel is very capable of "winning" vs Palestine? Conspiracies aside, it's just been war after war after war, I really hope that after this spat the world is going to tell Israel to figure something out (while still supporting them). The Holocaust is going to be less and less powerful when fighting culture wars and so, this is turning to be a stalemate despite military superiority. Israel better realize this and start figuring out an end game it seems to me (and I have many friends there).
What happened is that Palestinians effectively have shifted the issue from 10/7 to the larger issue - the treatment of Palestinians in the occupied territory of the Westbank and the controlled territory of Gaza. The Israeli's are trying to keep the focus on 10/7 and they have lots of sophisticated propaganda - but they are losing because of the larger social media. I think you are wrong though - overall this was a massive failure by Hamas.
Hamas is fighting with a suicide terrorist mindset and still has the hostages. What is their failure - they didn't draw larger powers into the fray? When Israel is accused of "genocide" widely, it's not really a "failure" by Hamas who had no chance of winning militarily
Difference is Russia would likely follow the ceasefire while the us can pump more modern weapons into usa and sell them better weapons when theres not an active war happening. The issue in Israel is hamas is promising to break the ceasefire as soon as they can and will keep breaking it until they kill every jew... It's two different situations and a peace deal in Ukraine is right thing to do. It's been a stalemate for a year now
Hamas doesn't represent Palestine. It is an idealogy within Palestine that CAN be defeated. Because if it cannot, then the only solution for Jews would be to actually commit displacement or genocide, which is not an option for them given their location and the way Western world is set up on idea of inherent human rights
Pick a fight but post your home address so people can actually fight you. Bonus points if you fight them. But actually don’t do that.
The US and the world have been repeatedly pushing (and failing) peace between Israel and the Palestinians for decades. It's a more complex struggle and also, the current episode of it has been going for 40 days. I don't think there was much of a peace push 40 days into the Ukraine war either. Nor 40 days after 9/11. That's probably the main difference.
The problem is the same though. A Russian "peace deal" just lets them regroup, understand where they f-ed up this time, and do this again in 5-10 years if they want. To avoid that scenario, Ukraine needs Western security guarantees for a peace deal to happen; Russia will have none of that. Thus there's a stalemate there. There's no real win-win solution. Either Ukraine gets long-term Western protection or it doesn't. And each scenario is unacceptable for one side or the other.
But you're missing out that Ukraine will also regroup and have better weapons. The us can't train the current army properly cuz us personal aren't allowed in Ukraine. Once there's a ceasefire they'll be able to buy modern fighter jets and more tanks/IFVs. Biden has promised zelensky after the war they can load up Russia can't so much easily regroup cuz the chips export bans will still be on Russia. They don't have the semiconductors to replace their precision weapons. They would buy them on the black market which really limits your resupply efforts
Rockets from Gaza fly on a monthly basis for years upon years. Do you not consider that "war"? Based on Chechnya experience in Russia, the only way for piece between polar opposite ideologies is a heavy handed dictatorship, so the West can't actively push for peace. In the end though, it is not the problem that West has to solve but Israel and their citizens don't seem to care because they have Iron Dome. We should start telling them to care and actively solve it instead of letting time heal these wounds - they are not a democracy that is based on Western values until they do. They are not a true ally until they do - they expose us to hate and attacks like 9/11 because of apparent complacency
I blame Tik Tok, social medial, cable news, you, me, all of us. I'm actually challenging everyone and teaching 1st A development principles to all of mine. But sigh, I don't have the same problems in my classes as those campuses on the news, which I guess is a good thing.
Russia despite its miscalculations should not be discounted, ever. If Russia can solve its corruption problem, it has the infrastructure, resources, and labor market to rebuild its entire economy at least to the level of UK France and Germany. We should not discount France, either. The anglophone alliance appears unstoppable but France sees itself as a World shaping power just as much as we, the UK, Russia, and China do.
The issue is right now usa can't train ukrianians properly as their needed on front lines. They're doing small batches of 5-10 and it's very inefficient. A pause would help ukraine more than Russia as it can fully convert to a modern army and mine the entire front lines
Great thing that Indian activists knew what was better for Palestinians! @Sweet Lou 4 2 . LOL Palestinians have gotten nowhere in the past 50 years because of western activists giving them bullshit fake hope. Should've ignored them long time ago
Arafat had a legitimate fear that he would’ve been assassinated had he taken that deal. He probably should’ve had the moral courage to do so like Rabin but didn’t. Again though the Israelis could’ve done more the last 50 years. They could’ve stopped building settlements, they could’ve given the Palestinians more ability to nuke an economy, and they could’ve not undermined the PA for Hamas. I will say it again it’s the one sided thinking and projection of US ideological battles on to Israel And the Palestinians that make peace so hard to achieve.
Arafat was upset that Clinton had been talking to Israelis behind closed doors and the feeling was that the Americans wanted to eff the Palestinians over. As a leader Arafat should've stood tall and accepted the deal and sold it to his people. Nothing ever happens in this world unless you take courageous action. This is why i respected biden withdrawal of Afghanistan instead of pissing in my pants like you guys over the procedure. Making bold actions is tough in this era and Arafat was a p***y
