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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Oct 6, 2023.

  1. durvasa

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    I think given her background she must be considered a subject matter expert. But even experts can have selective memory and look at historical events through a particular ideological lens.

    Benny Morris is a subject matter expert — and he’s squarely on the side that Palestinians rejected a great deal at Oslo, the best deal they’d ever receive.

    https://fathomjournal.org/there-is-a-clash-of-civilisations-an-interview-with-benny-morris/
     
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    Her background isn't being a subject matter expert. Out of touch world leaders conversing aren't subject matter experts.

    Sincerely ask yourself how much nuanced knowledge she has about incidents like the Nakba.
     
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    He's a subject matter expert in Israeli propaganda and justifies the Nakba and forced ethnic cleansing of Arabs and erasing of Arab towns and villages because " what else were we suppsoed to do"
     
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    This is an amazing read. Anyone with any sense would come to the realization that Palestinians walked away from the deal of a lifetime @Sweet Lou 4 2
     
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    Chef's kiss on the typo
     
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    Biden going up against his own party to do the right thing. This is the difference between trump and biden. Biden takes on the fringe members of his party

    There can be no peace or 2 state solution as long as hamas is in power

     
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    I don’t think that’s a fair representation of his historical work (like his book Righteous Victims), though his views are veered more towards the Israeli hardline narrative in recent decades.
     
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    It is an apartheid state, it really isn't even debatable.
     
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    College has gotten ****ing weird. These kids have too much free time and are a bore.

    We used to drink a lot and have lots of sex - but at least we were not trying to start fascist republics.
     
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    The young folks aren't drinking, drugging, and f*cking like past generations.
     
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    Biden could force a ceasefire by withholding military aid. But, Israel would consider that a betrayal. Apparently, we have to fund their whole war. ;)
     
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    That's a different person's perspective. You can insult anyone who disagrees with you, but I am stating facts.

    Notice what I bold are statements of facts, whereas what you bold are opinions. Who is pushing propaganda lol.
     
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    Apparently you can be arrested in Germany for having that opinion.
     
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    I'm not insulting you? You told me to read something and out of respect I read the entire OPed he wrote. He literally blamed Arafat for not securing a deal and said Arafat had grievances even before he stepped foot at Camp David. He was unhappy with Clinton's close friendship with Israel.

    Why are you so bad at debating ? You tried showing Malloy as evidence of your argument and he literally blames Palestine
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Dude, that's not his opinion, he's putting forth the conventional wisdom and then breaking it down in the article. He is not blaming Arafat.
     
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    "I was at Camp David, a member of the small American peace team, and I, too, was frustrated almost to the point of despair by the Palestinians' passivity and inability to seize the moment."

    Are you just playing dumb? If you read his NYT oped he literally blames atafat and said palestinians will never have a better opportunity.

    He literally shreds Arafat in the OP ed
     

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