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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Oct 6, 2023.

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    I am embarrassed to say I have been donating to Amnesty International for 20+ years. They have lost their way.
     
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    Lol, no, you're the one lying to yourself if you believe this nonsense. That was never part of the agreement even in the post you had it had that Palestinians would not control its airspace and be demilitarized. Israel would keep the tendrils into the west bank and give Palestine 1/9 of the land back. No right of return. It was a crap deal. Arafat could not accept it without betraying his people.
     
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    You keep making this 1/9th number. The other land in west bank WAS NOT GOING TO BE CLAIMED BY ISRAEL. It would be joint authority until a X time and then would be transfered over to the PLA. You have no idea what youre talking about.

    What the hell have the Palestinians accomplished now? Your purity ID everything that's wrong with America
     
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    Every tweet that confirms an existing bias is important enough to share, source be damned.
     
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    He also pushed all the Russian justification lies for invading Ukraine and totally absolved Russia of any wrongdoing in Ukraine and got booed on stage a bunch in Eastern Europe. He's kind of reflexively navel-gazing in the way he views any military conflict.
     
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    I deal in facts. That obviously is a problem for you. You deal in propaganda. Start with wikipedia man:

    Robert Malley, part of the Clinton administration and present at the summit, wrote to dispel three "myths" regarding the summit's failure. First myth, Malley says, was "Camp David was an ideal test of Mr. Arafat's intentions". Malley recalls that Arafat didn't think that Israeli and Palestinian diplomats had sufficiently narrowed issues in preparation for the summit and that the Summit happened at a "low point" in the relations between Arafat and Barak.[46] The second myth was "Israel's offer met most if not all of the Palestinians' legitimate aspirations". According to Malley, Arafat was told that Israel would not only retain sovereignty over some Arab neighborhoods of Jerusalem, but Haram al Sharif too, and Arafat was also asked to accept an unfavorable 9-to-1 ratio in land swaps.[46] The third myth was that "The Palestinians made no concession of their own". Malley pointed out that the Palestinians starting position was at the 1967 borders, but they were ready to give up Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, and parts of the West Bank with Israeli settlements. Further, the Palestinians were willing to implement Right of Return in a way that guaranteed Israel's demographic interests. He argues that Arafat was far more compromising in his negotiations with Israel than Anwar el-Sadat or King Hussein of Jordan had been when they negotiated with Israel.[46]
     
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    Former official, but at least you're consistent in disparaging an entire population based off a tweet about a single person.
     
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    Roger Watters is a total POS, hence why most of his band members stay away.....................BUT, comfortably numb is one of my favorite all time songs so I hate the person but love the music, plus IMO David G was the real star of the group and Roger could not handle that
     
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    Will the 4 hour cease fire windows appease the squad?
     
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    How kind. How benevolent these modern war machines are. Joe Biden Nobel Peace prize incoming.
     
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    What were her thoughts on the lead up to the invasion of Iraq version 2.0?


    We as a society need to learn that people like Hillary Clinton are not subject matter experts in these affairs. Their goals are self-interested which means there is zero intellectual curiosity and just agenda hunting talking points.

    Hillary Clinton is a self-adulating clown who's only saving grace is she isn't a fascist.
     
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    LOL i read the entire piece and holy **** you are spinning propaganda. He literally writes at the beginning

    From right to left, hawks to doves, comes unusual harmony of opinion both here and in Israel: Camp David is said to have been a test that Mr. Barak passed and Mr. Arafat failed. Offered close to 99 percent of their dreams, the thinking goes, the Palestinians said no and chose to hold out for more. Worse, they did not present any concession of their own, adopting a no-compromise attitude that unmasked their unwillingness to live peacefully with a Jewish state by their side. I was at Camp David, a member of the small American peace team, and I, too, was frustrated almost to the point of despair by the Palestinians' passivity and inability to seize the moment.

    In Jerusalem, Palestine would have been given sovereignty over many Arab neighborhoods of the eastern half and over the Muslim and Christian quarters of the Old City. While it would enjoy custody over the Haram al Sharif, the location of the third-holiest Muslim shrine, Israel would exercise overall sovereignty over this area, known to Jews as the Temple Mount. This, too, was far more than had been thinkable only a few weeks earlier, and a very difficult proposition for the Israeli people to accept.


    The Palestinians did not meet their historic responsibilities at the summit either. I suspect they will long regret their failure to respond to President Clinton -- at Camp David and later on -- with more forthcoming and comprehensive ideas of their own.

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    You keep spinning this 9 to 1 number but majority of the land in the swap was already settled by Israelis for decades. They were never going get them back in reality and they were still going to get major concessions from the Israelis

    Again what the hell do the palestinians have now. NOTHING NOTHING.

    It's so insane how you folks with your purity think you're morally superior when the alternative is nothing. NOTHING
     
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    If Trump was president right now IDF wouldn't have allowed any aid or water into gaza and they'd be carpet bombing the entire gaza to ruble
     
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    How kind of Joe
     

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