Not a great comparison. It's not like Japan and US had a 70 year conflict going on where Pearl Harbor was just another chapter.
No I was just saying. That if Israel want to get the least blow back from indiscriminately unleashing hell onto palestine, they would declare war and just say that they were trying to end the war fast so Civilian causlities were necessary If Israel just decides to retaliate and wipe out palestine for the hamas attack they aren't that much different from hamas with both side indifferent to the loss of innocent human lives. Indirectly harming civilians in the act of war is a lot different than just retaliating in revenge and blowing your weapon load onto palestine even though the result is the same with dead palestines.
This is the both sides argument right? Have you seen the footage of Israelis parading the naked corpse of a Palestinian girl around town while continuing punching, kicking, spitting upon such corpse?
I have seen videos of the Orthodox Jews spitting on Christians and Arabs. Videos of Orthodox forcing Palestinians out of their homes. In my mind there is no difference between the growing orthodox block in Israel and the supporters of Hamas in Palestine.
Speculation. If the power imbalance was reversed and you had Palestinians in control with Israel squeezed in a slot, I don't know if anything much would change other than which side does what.
Ah yes the disgusting act of terrorists justify deadly usage of weapons onto everyone that is in the palestine nation. Nonsense stance
It's not like Hamas hasn't already told us what they'd do. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
There would be no Israel in that scenario because Israel at its heart is a colonial project where the UK and France decided it would be better to give European Jews a home of their own given the holocaust. But the better option would have been let the Ashkenazi continue live in Central and Eastern Europe where they lived for centuries than to displace the people who were living and had been living in Ottoman Palestine. But it matters not now because Israel is a nation and has actively recruited Ashkenazi and Sephardic peoples to join the project. I can’t think of another example of a nationstate being founded along religious lines by ethnic groups who were not living in the land. Utah might be the only other example in modern history.
My speculation is this: Hamas doesn't exist in the other universe. A version of Hamas, OTH, does exist on the other side.
I guess another example would be partitioning India to resettle the Roma in Central and Eastern Europe to create their own Gypsie nation. India would not accept that under any circumstances.
There was no Israel during the Ottoman Empire. There were Jews living in that land, and they coexisted with Muslims in relative peace. My point about this 'genocide' (from Sam Harris) goes beyond religion. Power imbalance and the use of that power has a huge impact on the people and what they become. Suppressed people are much more prone to extremism.
It shows how people like you don't put the same value of human life on brown people. If you want to compare what Israel experienced today with Pearl Harbor then Palestine have experienced a lot more Pearl Harbors than Israel have but have you ever shown that level of empathy for the brown dudes?
I understand that it's super dumb. How many Jews are there in Afghanistan today? That answers your incredibly naive question.
When it comes to the people who defends Israel's mass discrepancy in creating civilian casualties compared to Palestinians from mostly right wing people, racists etc, what is the most heartbreaking thing is these people just are incapable of placing basic human traits to Palestinians to feel basic rage. They only allow Israelis to be raged. When 20 civilians die in a day in Gaza city from an Israeli ordnance drop how many @tallanvors or @AroundTheWorlds or @StupidMonikers of the world would turn all giddey and excited about a retaliation to show Isreal they ****ed up? Why don't you people allow Palestinians to experience rage like you welcome Israelis to do from experiencing pain and suffering? Why?
Honestly this idea in your head about Palestinians wanting to commit genocide more compared to Israelis is simply you just not having an ability to place basic human traits on Palestinians Do you know how many IDF soldiers wha to level Gaza? Join a Western power's military, specially infantry units and you'll see how many people are perfectly willing to commit genocide against regions of the world they hate. You are the type of person who probably your entire life has just been around polite liberal society and never have experienced actual right wingers in your life outside of online interaction on places like Twitter. That's the type naiveness you express.
Also for people like @AroundTheWorld , it's either they don't apply human emotions to Palestinians or they have significantly higher standards for Palestinians to just accept having family members die and not generate rage from it and they think Israelis have less control over their emotions so they allow Israelis to express their rage of their people dying. Like grading in a curve. I mean it's obviously the former but atw, you understand in a sense you are placing higher standards on Palestinians to have restraint over the past 20 years.
