The goal of many terrorists is the non-existence of Israel. Nobody knows what their reaction would be if there was a viable Palestinian state, of course. But there talk is that they want to destroy Israel, not just have two-state solution. Palestinians in general may agree to a two state solution, but the terrorist organizations have declared a goal of ending Israel.
Lil is now the Rush Limbaugh of this BBS. I don't agree with much of what Lil and Rush says, but I don't think he's being racist. He's giving his opinion and there's some rationale to it. Just because he's saying something negative about Jewish policies doesn't make him a racist. In other threads where posters were calling Chinese commies and bashing their gov't, those posters weren't called racist. But when anyone makes a commentary about blacks or jews, they are beaten up for saying anything. I'll stop here.
That's how the US started off. I don't see anyone anyone leaving their homes in Houston and moving back to the old country. Israel is the reality today. They are in existence now and should do what it deems necesary to survive. Most people would agree with this, but are against their way of achieving this.
i disagree with the US comparison, after all, it's the 21st Century, and i think international norms have evolved quite a bit over these past 200 years... however, i do agree with having to accept Israel's existence as reality. there needs to be an equitable two-state settlement of the palestinian conflict. both israel and palestine has a right to survive. and not just that, but to prosper in peace and harmony. but i see little that the current israeli administration is doing towards achieving this. just one baffling provocation, retraction, and excuse after another, as if peace was the enemy and conflict the friend. as a taxpayer, i frankly don't enjoy paying for this farce.
You should, because the entire story is not in this thread. One walks a fine line when making 'commentaries' about any group of people. My issue is not with his opinions on the ME. My issue is with negative stereotypes, which is racist. You don't have to despise the other group of people to be racist...you can just assign some negative trait to them as a group. That suffices. Regarding the other thread you mentioned, bashing a government, any government, is by no means racist. Using 'commies'... is it intended as a deragatory or is it racist? I guess it depends on the circumstance. But whether that's right or wrong is not germane here, is it? BTW, it also seems that you are having some difficulty with the distinction between 'Isareli' and 'Jew', since as far I as I am aware, there are no 'Jewish Policies'. I certainly do not support all of Israel's actions. I don't like Sharon, I don't like the settlements, I don't like where the wall is going, I don't like the bulldozing of Palestinian farms, I don't like the long waits at checkpoints (even for ambulances), I could go on. That doesn't make me racist, and it doesn't make anyone else racist.
You getting technical on me here? I'm pretty sure no one would be confused when I say Jewish policies and think of the Old Testament. Israel = Jewish State. Am I wrong?
Yes, you are. There are Jews around the world, even many in Israel, who do not agree with nor support Israeli policies. Your wording is not just 'technical', its material. It's like saying all Jews think the same. Was that really your intent?
that particular incident was a mistaken comment i made against all jewish people which should really have been directed at only a majority subpopulation of them, namely that they are people filled with hatred and intolerance (particularly against blameless austrian politicians and arabs in general) who nonetheless hypocritically promote the holocaust. the comment was a mistake because there ARE jews who don't feel this way and agree with me that this intolerance is unjustified and wrong, albeit a small minority. earlier in this thread, i posted a link earlier in this thread to a good article professing this exact opinion. i apologised for the mistaken stereotype and whatever misunderstanding it may have caused then. and yet you still bring it up here to smear me in this totally unrelated thread, a boorish bullying tactic you apparently turn to when logic and common sense fails you. maybe you ought to discuss the real issues once in a while.
enough about racism. this thread is about israel attacking syria. the last time one middle east country attacked another, America rode in leading the rest of the world and crushed the aggressors. where has that moral uprightness gone? the rest of the world hasn't changed. only us.
You mean the Jews aren't like the Borg? They don't think the same like the American Borg? My mistake. I'll start making qualified distinctions between American and US policies as well, and give recognition that George's policies differ from those of Bob, Mike, Steve, and any American who has a different idea of foreign policy.
Syria gives safe harbor, financial aid and weaponry to every single terrorist organization operating in Lebannon, Gaza and the West Bank. It's safe to say that they have been in a defacto state of war with Israel, through their proxies, for some time now.
aye that's the incident. examine the full thread if you like. let the public be the judge of whether there is racism there. and if one apology wasn't enough, i'll do it again here. i'm sorry if i offended anyone. meanwhile i'd appreciate if you can get back to the actual issues we're discussing here. using name-calling does nothing to prove your point. and i'd appreciate a bit more civility and reason. thank you.
the fact that Israel has occupied and annexed Syrian territories - namely the Golan Heights - from 1967 up to the present day, in clear violation of international law, displacing 100,000s of Syrians while planting nearly 100,000 of their own settlers, obviously makes Syria the chief villain. i see another 14-1 vote in the security council.
Originally posted by Lil aye that's the incident. examine the full thread if you like. let the public be the judge of whether there is racism there. and if one apology wasn't enough, i'll do it again here. i'm sorry if i offended anyone. Your apology is accepted. Recognize that apologizing for a single offense and changing one's way of thinking are related but separate. And it is hard for those offended to 'forget' comments such as: '[insert negative attribute here] race', ...or for Jews in particular: "Shoah this and Shoah that" bull****.
