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Israel approves plans for 3,400 new homes in West Bank settlements

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    That’s a lot of Israeli houses in Palestine. I imagine the timing of this decision is actually in response to the US inviting Gantz and pressuring for a 2 State solution.

    Bibi (and the leaders of other countries) realize there is a 50-50 chance than Trump will be in the White House by this time next year and are emboldened to wait out the clock to be able to do whatever they want. The Israelis know no one will stop them. And if re-elected, Trump won’t tell Israel to not annex Gaza or West Bank to realize the Likud dream of Israel from river to sea. Trump won’t do anything to get Bibi to stand down from PM to face the corruption charges.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68490034

    Israel's government has advanced plans for more than 3,400 new homes in settlements in the occupied West Bank.

    About 70% of the homes will be built in Maale Adumim, east of Jerusalem, with the rest in nearby Kedar and Efrat, south of Bethlehem.

    A minister has said the construction is a response to a deadly Palestinian attack near Maale Adumim two weeks ago.

    The Palestinian Authority condemned the plans, which are reportedly the first to be approved since June.

    Israel has built about 160 settlements housing some 700,000 Jews since it occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem - land the Palestinians want as part of a future state - in the 1967 Middle East war.


    The vast majority of the international community considers the settlements illegal under international law, although Israel disputes this.
     
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    The fact that the Israeli minister has already said that the new homes in and settlements is a response to the attack is an example of collective punishment. The settlements are already illegal, collective punishment is a war crime, and that is simply fact and something that Israeli officials have said. It isn't Hamas propaganda or any of the other tired refrains we hear from those that embrace bigotry and dehumanizations.

    Furthermore it will make Israel less secure, ensure more support for Hamas and other anti-Israeli terrorist organizations. It would be far better for Israel to withdraw to the 67 borders pull their troops back to guard Israel, and not have to use them to protect the illegal settlements.
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Why would Israel have 2 million Arabs within Israel (with full citizen rights), but the "Palestinian" Arabs cannot accept 3,400 homes in an area predominantly populated by Arabs?

    Who are the intolerant ones here?
     
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    I hate this logic. These peoples were Arabized during the Islamic conquests in the 600s just like the hundreds of millions of people in the New World became Hispanic and Catholic. Initially by force, and then by legacy. Yet Mexicans are not Guatemalans anymore than Palestinians are Yemeni.

    Before the conquest people in Palestine were Hellenized and Romanized. But the people are still the people despite adapting their culture to match their new rulers.
     
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    Will those new 3,400 homes be subject to Palestinian Authority control?
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    No. Palestinians aren't now and haven't been allowed to police their own territories. Settlers that commit crimes against Palestinians aren't subject to Palestinian law enforcement.
     
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    Settlements and collective punishment are illegal war crimes. Palestinians have had their own culture and heritage for thousands of years.

    https://www.riwaq.org/riwaq-register/Cultural Heritage of Palestine

    https://pij.org/articles/804/land-heritage-and-identity-of-the-palestinian-people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians#Origins
     
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  8. AroundTheWorld

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    So you are fine with "Palestinians" not allowing Jews into "their" territory, not even as a minority. Isn't that racial and religious discrimination?
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    No. I'm not fine with that. However, building Israeli only settlements in Palestinian Territories and not allowing Palestinians to have any way to protect their citizens from those settlers is something different.
     
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  10. AroundTheWorld

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    How many Jews are there in "Palestinian" territories?

    How many Jews are there in majority Muslim Arab countries and Iran (where there used to be many Jews)?

    Are there more Jews in all the majority Muslim countries in the Middle East combined than there are Muslim Arabs in Israel?

    If not, why not?

    And why does that not bother you? But a few Jews settling in majority "Palestinian" (=Jordan Arab Muslim) territories really irks you. Why?
     
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    I'm bothered by many many discriminatory policies in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, etc.

    I know there are large numbers of Iranian Jews who would like to still be able to settle in Iran. But in much of the region there isn't large populations wishing to settle. So Iran probably tops the list. They have numerous other problems of oppression and descrimination.

    They aren't an ally of the United States.
     
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    Y'all should just get ATW's phone number so y'all can avoid the trouble of having to make threads to have these discussions with him.
     
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  13. AroundTheWorld

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    Thanks for sharing your brain fart.
     
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    Sheriff ATW to burglary victim: "Black man, tall and skinny, about 30 years old, black t-shirt and blue jeans. Got it. So...you don't allow black people in your house? Are you racist?"
     
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  15. AroundTheWorld

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    ok guy
     
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    ****ing disgusting!

    imagine building illegal settlements on the bodies of children
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Ok so then why doesn’t Israel just allow all of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza to become Israeli citizens and have a one state solution?
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    Why doesn't Egypt?

    Why doesn't Jordan?

    Nobody wants these people, because too many of them are uneducated and full of hate.

    Not even their Arab "brothers" want them.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    Ah so Palestinians should just let Israelis move in but not the other way around. And yes the other countries should take in more Palestinians just like they should be willing to allow Jews to move in as you say.

    Also you never answered the question whether these new settlers would be subject to Palestinian authority control.
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    How many Jews are there in Gaza?

    How many Muslim Arabs are there in Israel?

    Your posts are beyond moronic.

    Whom are you trying to impress?

    You are still not getting laid.
     

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