I haven't found the right place to report ATW’s hate campaign yet, but I haven’t given up. Not speaking German doesn’t help, and it’s taking me a little longer. What he’s doing here may very well qualify as a crime in Germany, but at the very least I’m sure the German authorities will want to know about him, and have him on their watch list. This guy has spent literally dozens of hours on this forum alone spewing his cowardly lies and hate about Muslims and Islam. Sane people don’t behave that way, and I think we need to be concerned about the safely of Muslims he may encounter in his everyday life as well. We need to be good citizens and stand up to this ugly bigot, and do our part to shut down this kind of campaign of hate.
I dont agree with 99% of the things he writes but calm down man. This is a freaking basketball forum. Lets not go vigilante on anyone regardless of what they see. You have better things that can take up your time.
Hate is not ok, and this kind of obsessive hate and lies directed against an identifiable group of people may well be a crime. It’s not ok to look the other way. And it’s not like the guy has made a half dozen bad posts. He may well have made hundreds of anti Muslim and Islamic posts at this point. This has become very serious. For those trying to reason with him, there’s no point in trying to reason with someone as obsessed and hate filled as ATW. This is a mental illness at this point. If someone knows where the right place is to inform the German officials it would help me out. What I propose is that we all put together a list of links to half a dozen or so of his hate posts and then forward them to the proper German authority, and explain that we believe the person writing this is a German citizen living in Germany. I’m further going to say that I don’t think this person is sane, and that the level of his obsession and hate makes me concerned about the safety of the Muslims around him.
lol That is an incredibly interesting paragraph. If this paragraph was a circle, ATW would be dancing on every single point of tangency it has to offer. Then again, it seems the authorities are finding it difficult to enforce the spirit of these rules:
I really hope this is a joke. Sorry I just dont agree with any of this. As much as I disagree with him, this is just ridiculous.
I agree that this is just a hoops forum and reporting him will probably make him even deeper in this mindset(well, he uses anything to do that and ignores the opposite). That said, it does baffle me though since the people in this video from the OP I would chalk off to just being uneducated and informed, therefore so ignorant. However, ATW sees articulated and educated, so it is even more scary to see how elementary his logic in only seeing causes at the surface level in generalizing is. It is truly alarming because before the answer was simple, expose them to more education, inform them about the diversity and the masses, show its just a minority and how dangerous dehumanizing and generalizing stereotypes can be. But with him, he is already reasonably intellectual in most fronts, except he seems to have this innate issue with myself and other muslims(not us personally) but our beliefs and he can't seperate that the issue is not our religion adn beliefs that are from the same source as some of those people that he cites, but those people themselves and the political turmoil or culture that they come from. I don't know if he realizes it, but he sounds an awful lot in mindset like that girl from UCLA going on an asian rant in the hangout forum. Anyways, that said, I wouldn't report him. I am a naive idealist and would hope with more talks we can come to a better understanding, silly me..
I agree, I don't get how you can get a poll there with its instability, lack of unity, and lack of literacy, but there simply is no issue to justify suicide bombings. This is also the case in our religion where the biggest sin is to be the aggressor and to take innocent lives. That is what the ideology teaches primarily in the quran, it talks later of times of war given the context of that time when it was written(as you can find moments of stoning, violence in the bible as well) but the overall gist still states this over and over again that violence shouldn't be a option, a greater man is one of piece, and to harm anyone and kill an innocent is like that of infinite sins. So there is the ideology and majority of muslims don't agree with that bombing(not to mention the suicide bombings usually are killing muslims mostly over there) so the issue is those people, their agenda, their background. Attack them ATW and I will attack them with you, those guys, the guys from 9/11 are my enemies as a muslims as well as an American. They are the issue, not my religion, not my belief, not my ideology. I wish you could differentiate the difference between me and them since our source of religion is the same so that is not the factor, it is other background issues. It stinks that people here and I have been called unpatriotic and unamerican and I can't get on a flight properly because some guy on the other side of the world that I don't know, don't share any views with, don't share any beliefs with even, will never agree with or have anything to do with did something wrong and used a similar name to what I use and because of that surface level logic, I get attacked. Look deeper and you will cure you ignorance and find the real answers and real solutions
Any German police station will do. You could look for "e-mail adresse staatsanwaltschaft" or "e-mail adresse polizei" and you should find something. You should just be aware that it is also a crime to falsely accuse someone of a crime. Google "Falsche Verdächtigung",§ 164 StGB. Just make sure you know what you are getting yourself into :grin:. Actually, I heard that Shaq would like to be a police officer. Here is how he and anyone else would react to your little vendetta: Spoiler
While I don't agree with this sentiment, I can't help but wonder if his level of concern, which is markedly greater than most of us US citizens, is greater because he lives in Europe. I don't remember if there was a thread about it, but didn't the German Chancellor make some controversial remarks about the failure of multi-culturalism in Germany... and I don't think he was talking about Mexican immigrants...
How do you suggest to deal with this infidel for being such "an annoying pest"? Interesting choice of words to describe a human being.
Rather than answering this myself, I prefer to let a Muslim (I think, going by the name and the URL, I just googled) give an indication of some differences. Most sources I have read and also my own impression from having lived in both the USA and Europe indicate that there are indeed differences. ----------------------- http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/april02_index.php As the twenty-first century begins, almost one out of every five human beings is a Muslim. In the course of the 21st century a quarter of the human race will probably be Muslim. The new demographic presence of Islam within the Western world is indicative that Islamisation is now a major globalising force. Also as a manifestation of the demographic Islamisation of the Western world, there are now over a thousand mosques and Islamic centres in the United States alone. And the country has professional associations for Muslim engineers, Muslim social scientists and Muslim educators. There are some six million American Muslims, and the number is rising impressively. It can no longer be seen as Islam versus the West. It is Islam and the West or Islam in the West, as some observers have noted. The growth of the Muslim community in the West has been impressive to judge by the mosques or mainly prayer rooms: both Germany and France have about a thousand, Britain about 500. The central mosques in London and in Washington symbolise this growth. The mosques are full of worshippers, they are beautifully constructed and are the hub of Muslim social and religious activity. In France, Islam is the second most important religion numerically after Catholicism. In Britain Muslims have been demanding state subsidies for Muslim denominational schools. In Germany it has been belatedly realised that the importation of Turkish workers in the 1970s was also an invitation to the muezzin and the minaret to establish themselves in German cities. (source: Sharif Shuja, Contemporary Review Company Ltd) * Origins of the immigrants Regents Park Mosque,LondonMuslims in Europe have a direct relationship to the colonial period. The UK ruled South Asia (British India), and therefore most of its Muslim immigrants tend to be from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. Moroccans and Algerians drifted to France (they are about six to 10 million Muslims now in France). Because Germany and Turkey had a relationship going back to the First World War, Turks went to Germany (most of Germany's one and a half million Muslims are Turks). The Netherlands has about half a million Muslims who are mostly from Surinam. In Portugal most Muslims are from the former colonies in India or southern France; in Spain they are from Morocco or Algeria. In Italy, where there are estimated to be about 200,000 Muslims, they are mostly from Libya. Muslims in America have a direct relationship with the political turmoil in many countries of the Muslim world that has occasioned increased emigration (exodus of Palestinians, revolution in Iran, the military coup in Afghanistan, the Lebanese civil war…) and consequently contributed to the Muslim presence in America. Most now come from the subcontinent of South Asia, including Pakistanis, Indians, and Bangladeshis. Today this group probably numbers more than one million. Also the black Muslims through the Nation of Islam and Warith Deen Muhammad represent a very large Muslim community. * The American versus the European experience There are some interesting differences between the USA and Europe which help us to better understand the phenomenon of Muslims living in the West, and which also highlight the broader historical differences between the USA and Europe. The main difference is the social and economic composition of the Muslim community. In the USA it is largely middle class doctors, engineers, academics. This gives the community a greater social confidence and a positive sense of belonging. In Europe, by and large, the community remains stuck in the working class or even the underclass. Its failure on the political scene is spectacular: although Britain has two to four million Muslims they have only been able to win a couple of seats in Parliament. Worse still is that their leaders tend to be divided, particularly over where to draw the line between integration and traditional Muslim identity. Another difference is that in the USA there is a greater geographical spread. Muslims are not concentrated in one state or city. In Europe there is a tendency to concentrate. Bradford in England is an example. The concentration allows the leaders of that particular city to emerge as spokesmen, that does not represent automatically the Muslim community of the UK. Europe itself has changed dramatically in relation to its immigrants and their culture. For example, from the early 1950s to the early 1990s a number of developments took place in Britain on all levels of society: from seven curry restaurants to seven thousand, from a few mosques to 500, from no African or Asian television presenters and journalists to dozens, from only a few African or Asian authors writing in English to a number of Booker Prize winners. All this was to the good. British culture was that much richer. But it is easy to understand the British fear that perhaps too much may have been happening too fast. After all, Britain is a deeply conservative and insular society, and no such foreign influences - and from such far lands - had made themselves felt before. The fear fed easily into feelings of racial animosity. Muslims in the USA are conscious that they are there by choice. They have opted to be American. America is, after all, the land of the melting pot, where everyone is ideally "equal". This contrasts with Muslims in Europe. Many feel that they are in Europe simply because their parents migrated or were forced to migrate for economic reasons. This makes for disenchanted and alienated citizens. In both the USA and Europe, ideas of local ethnicity also affect Muslim self-awareness. The rise of black power in the USA helped to create a mood of assertiveness, of identity, of exaggerated self-importance in the Muslim community. Black Muslims like Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali in the 1960s became symbols of Muslim pride. This did not happen in Europe. There were no superstars to rally behind. The vast majority of the Muslims were marginalised in low-paid jobs and there were few intellectual or media figures speaking on their behalf. (Source: Living Islam by Akbar S. Ahmed)
