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Islamist terror to start the new year in Egypt, Nigeria

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 1, 2011.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    After you read the following article, please go back in the thread and study some of the things that were said by some of the posters here.

    This was thought to be a conspiracy theory, now being investigated as a serious possibility.
     
  2. glynch

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    don't feed the troll
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    What exactly do you think changes if this conspiracy theory is true? You think Islamist militants are good people then? Even this conspiracy theory article states that an Islamist group was involved. Nobody ever said that the Egyptian government are saints, either. In short: What's your point?
     
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    Well, it would show the attack was motivated by political reasons. I would consider that a good point.
     
  5. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    If true, points:

    - Regime has been exaggerating the terrorist threat intentionally.
    - Muslims in the country actually protected the Christians from the government.
    - One less reason to believe that Islamism is a political threat to Egypt and Israel.
    - Shows that Islamist militancy can be a product of the imposition of 'Western' foreign policy.

    Most importantly, it shows that you were drinking a corrupt dictator's kool aid, which makes me happy that apparently he'll be spending his days very near your hometown. Have fun with him, you can both scream and shout about how Islamism is a great reason to allow dictators to oppress huge groups of people.

    As for whether Islamic militancy is a good or bad thing, as has been my practice with you lately, I won't answer your silly offensive questions.
     
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    You must have missed the part that said that Islamists were involved in the attack (even according to this unconfirmed conspiracy theory - by the way, where is trustme, whining about how reputed your source is, which is usually his schtick when he doesn't know what else to say)?

    None of what you posted above would be correct, even if this conspiracy theory article were true.

    According to German media reports today, he is not coming to Germany. Of course, this might change anytime. I wouldn't mind, if it means that things change for the better in Egypt and they can have a fresh start. While we are at it, we could also host your employers, the dictators of Dubai, if that means that Dubai (the dictatorship you work for) would change to a true democracy.
     
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    repped
     
  8. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    So? They found a crazy Islamist willing to do it. That doesn't amount to terror.

    I'm pretty sure he'll end up in Germany, they're the only ones considering it really. It's funny how you've changed your tone. You were hinting repeatedly that you think it's better to keep Mubarak than let democracy prevail. I wonder how that changed, must've missed it.

    Also, Dubai is not a country, it does not have multiple dictators. Aren't you worried about the threat of militant Islam in Dubai :( lol hypocrite. Dubai is no different than Egypt in that, if it starts descending into that kind of state, the people will demand a change. Democracy would be nice, but I'd rather see Dubai sort out its human rights + economic issues first.

    But thanks, it's comforting to know that Germany is a safe haven for exiled dictators, it's only fitting I guess.
     
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    That's IF this conspiracy theory is true as it is told in that article. Plus, how does it not amount to terror? A crazy islamist did it...yes, it's a slightly different story if the government was also involved, but hey, maybe they are also islamists, aside from the fact that they are corrupt, etc.?

    I never said that. Please do not misrepresent what I said. I said that I am concerned that Islamists will gain influence and move the country more toward Afghanistan/Pakistan/etc. in terms of the typical things that happen when Islamists gain power. I also said that we don't know if things will necessarily change for the better once Mubarak is out. But I didn't say "hey let's keep an oppressive dictator, much better than democracy".

    Wait...in Egypt, you say "DEMOCRACY DEMOCRACY" but in your own country/city/state whatever, the dictatorship whose governing body you work for, you say "well democracy would be nice, but..."?!?! :confused: But you are calling me the hypocrite. Mmmmmmmmmkay...
     
  10. Mathloom

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    lol I'll try to take you serious, but it's tough. Mubarak the Islamist hahahaha.

    Fair enough you said that. I think you were far too skeptical anyhow. If anything, even a poor democracy is better than a corrupt dictatorship with regards to how it affects external parties. Simply because it's fair to go to war with an aggressive democracy, but not fair to go to war with a dictator. For example, many people died in Iraq because of Saddam, although they did not support Saddam or dictatorship. Whereas, if the US government started behaving in that way, and the American people are fairly represented by government (whole point of democracy), it's not unfair to hold voters accountable.

    WRT to Dubai, as I said, I want democracy, but it's not the most pressing need. I'm sure you knew this is what I meant. You would really have to be a buffoon to compare the need for immediate political change in Egypt to the need for immediate change in the UAE. It's insulting to Egyptians as well. If I were not convinced that political reforms are heading in the right direction at a reasonable pace, I would be more outraged. But as it stands, I would rather prioritize the human rights issues. I could not tell a construction worker face to face that my current quality of life as a result of the state of politics is more important than his starvation and isolation. I have access to education, information, food, shelter. So while I would love to be able to open up the political scene, as a human being, I find that there is something more pressing to deal with, and I don't see that immediate sweeping reform is a more pressing issue.

    The difference in Egypt is that everyone is fighting for food, shelter, education, information as a direct consequence of Mubarak's dictatorship.
     
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    Nice post, Mathloom.
     
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    Without fracking, the US would have to start giving some serious ****s about stuff like Boko Haram and ISIS

    [rQUOTEr]Female suicide bombers kill over 60 people in northeast Nigeria: officials

    Two female suicide bombers killed more than 60 people at a camp for people displaced by an insurgency of the jihadist Boko Haram group in the northeast Nigerian town of Dikwa, military and emergency officials said on Wednesday.

    ...[/rQUOTEr]
     

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