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Islamist terror to start the new year in Egypt, Nigeria

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 1, 2011.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    http://susiesbigadventure.blogspot.com/2010/12/saudi-woman-breaks-law-to-save-husband.html

    Wednesday, December 29, 2010
    Saudi Woman Breaks the Law to Save Husband


    A few days ago here in Saudi Arabia, a Saudi woman broke the law and in the process saved the life of her husband. What crime could she have possibly committed that actually saved her husband's life? She drove a car. She drove a car 120 km to get her incapacitated diabetic husband to a hospital.

    One year ago, another young Saudi woman, 15-year-old Malak Al-Mutairi, was hailed as a hero when she saved the lives of several family members and eight other people as unusually heavy rains caused severe flooding in the city of Jeddah. How did she do it? She drove her family's Jeep to tow disabled vehicles to safety, rescuing people in cars that had been trapped by the floodwaters. But in doing so, she broke the law.

    Earlier this year when my husband had heart surgery and couldn't drive, I wrote about the severe handicap placed on my family because of the restrictions placed on me which prevent me from driving here.

    I have also written about how it's a daily occurrence to see young boys who aren't even tall enough to see over the steering wheel or reach the brake pedal driving cars here, and no one seems to have a problem with it. It's also no problem for men to drive with babies sitting in their laps and small children jumping around in the moving car - nobody is buckled in. Yet, ask Saudi men why women shouldn't drive here, and most of them will inevitably say it's for the woman's safety. Safety? What a crock! Then why does Saudi Arabia have the highest traffic accident death toll in the world? Could it be because only MEN drive here? Safety, my A$$!

    Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that bans women from operating motor vehicles. Since there are no public busses that women are allowed to ride either, what this law means is that in order to get around, the women of Saudi Arabia are forced to pay for a driver or to take taxis driven by strange men. Since most Saudi men must work and those who don't work don't really want to chauffeur around the women of the family to all the places they need to go, thousands and thousands of foreign men are brought into the country to drive women around - women who are perfectly capable of driving themselves but are prevented from doing so by the misogynistic law of the land.

    Although the issue of women not driving here is not contrary to Islam, the reasons given for why this ban is in effect almost always point back to Islam. However, all other Islamic nations in the world allow women to drive! I'll never forget the words of Saudi Cleric Dr. Abd Al-Aziz Al-Fawzan when he said that the push for women to drive in Saudi Arabia was really a Western conspiracy to corrupt Saudi society, and then he threw in how Western men just simply rape any woman they desire, like it's a normal common occurrence.

    Some women want to drive so badly that they will go to extremes to try to do so, from dressing up as men to particpating in reckless high speed races, like many young men here do - sometimes with disastrous results.

    A campaign called "We the Women" was begun to promote the case for women driving in Saudi Arabia by a young Saudi woman working on her post-graduate degree in the US. The concept is simple. Promoting open dialogue about the driving issue by encouraging women to print off a blank bubble with the "We the Women" logo on it and write their feelings about not being allowed to drive in their own words, such as "I don't like the back seat" or "Driving shouldn't even be an issue" or "Driving isn't against my religion." Then they are to post it in a public place - shop windows, utility poles, restaurants in hopes of promoting dialogue.

    Back in 1990 when the Saudi government finally put a law in the books prohibiting women from driving (prior to this women were denied the right to drive, however there was no actual law on the books), women who drove cars were described as "portents of evil." (What I don't get is why WOMEN driving are considered "portents of evil," while men behind the wheel are not.) At the time, the Saudi Minister of the Interior was quoted as saying, "Women's driving of cars contradicts the sound Islamic attitude of the Saudi citizen, who is jealous about his sacred ideals."

    Jealousy? Whatever! These excuses for preventing women from driving here are so feeble it's laughable. Except I'm not laughing. While there are some Saudi men who are secure in their manhood and would like to see women given the right to drive, the truth is that most Saudi men just want to control women here - and letting women drive would give women too much freedom. But putting women in the position of having to break the law in order to save lives? That's just sick and wrong. And until the law is changed or done away with altogether, it just makes Saudi Arabia appear very backward in the eyes of the rest of the world - not that KSA has ever been concerned too much with that image...
     
  2. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    You make yourself look bad when you go off topic in your own thread.

    You either don't care about the topic.

    or you think everything Saudi = Islamic terrorism.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    I was waiting for this comment.

    To me, it is obvious that islamic terrorism and the intolerance in Saudi Arabia (religious police, gender apartheid, draconic sharia punishments) are related.

    There is a common link.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Obvious link....

    Stone Agebia is a massive problem.

    DD
     
  5. meh

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    Wait, so Islam was incredibly tolerant and caring of women before the recent widespread terror activities? I didn't know about that. So why did Islam start to treat women badly, which in turn cause them to start suicide bombing people?
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    Example of someone looking incredibly dumb while trying to look clever.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    First the shark attack, now the bomb attack: Islamists just blame the Mossad.

    http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=202218

    Islamists ‘build their scapegoat’ for church bombing

    ANALYSIS: Muslim Brotherhood official, Egyptian lawyers group, Lebanon’s grand mufti have all blamed the Jews, with varying motives.

    The New Year's Eve suicide bombing at an Egyptian Coptic church that killed 21 people is stoking fears of a new onslaught against Christians by radical Islamists. In response, some radical Islamists are turning to their great bogeyman to deflect attention - the Zionists.

    "Mossad behind Egypt church blast," Iran's official television outlet, Press TV, said in a headline Sunday. All the evidence points to a Zionist plot, the article said. First, "it goes without saying that no Muslim, whatever their political leanings may be, will ever commit such an inhumane act." In addition, Press TV reported that "the fresh plot by terrorists to target churches is an organized Zionist scenario aimed at creating a rift between Muslims and Christians." Christians are expressing fear the attack marks a widening of attacks by radical Islamists, which have increased dramatically in Iraq. Dozens of people were killed after terrorists took more than 120 Christians hostage in a Baghdad Catholic church in late October.

    Egyptian authorities are investigating a radical Salafi Sunni group in Alexandria, London's Telegraph reports. The story notes that al-Qaida in Iraq issued a statement two weeks ago encouraging attacks on Copts. The targeted church appeared on a list of 50 Coptic churches in Egypt and Europe published a month ago by Shumukh al-Islam, a group tied to al-Qaida. Al-Qaida threats against Christians have spread as far as Canada.

    Rather than address the threat directly and offer assistance to stem it, Islamists are building their scapegoat. The rhetoric can't be dismissed as solely the rantings of crazy Iranian mullahs. A Muslim Brotherhood official, an Egyptian lawyers group and Lebanon's grand mufti have all said the same thing, though they offer varying motives.

    "The Mossad carried out the operation in a natural reaction to the latest uncovering of an Israeli espionage network," the lawyers group said during a rally for the attack's victims sponsored by the Egyptian Bar Association.

    A member of the Muslim Brotherhood's Shura Council in Egypt condemned the attack, calling it an evil action. Moneim Aboul al Fattouh Abdel said it could not have been done by Egyptians, though he allowed the perpetrator might be the Mossad or someone else of trying to sabotage Egypt.

    "This assault...is not an individual internal Egyptian act, but a criminal act with Zionist...finger prints that want to sow hatred among Muslims and Coptic Christians," said Lebanon's Grand Mufti, Sheikh Mohammad Rashid Qabbani.

    The Brotherhood's English-language website summarized an interview spokesman Mohamed Morsy gave Al-Jazeera. In it, he cast the attacks as an attempt to undermine Egyptian unity, questioning whether Israel wants to undermine that. "In whose benefit and major interest is it to destabilize Egypt's stability and safety?" he asked.

    The Press TV report painted an idyllic image of life for Christians in Egypt, but a doctor treating the wounded from last weekend's suicide bombing disagreed. Many Copts, frustrated by a lack of government action to protect them, are thinking of leaving the country, Dalia Nabil told the BBC.

    "A lot of us think that this is a plan to make Christians go away from Egypt. The planner is al-Qaida," Nabil said.

    The reaction is consistent with radical Islamist behavior in the wake of damaging episodes both large and small. For example: • In anticipation of indictments from a United Nations tribunal investigating the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, Hizballah leaders accused Israel of the murder.

    • In 2006, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad by a Danish newspaper was a "conspiracy by Zionists who were angry because of the victory of Hamas." • A pervasive campaign has sought to minimize the Darfur genocide as a Zionist attempt to undermine the Sudanese government.

    • An Iranian television documentary depicted the Harry Potter novels and movies as part of a Zionist cultural conspiracy to poison young Muslim minds. "They [Zionists] are indirectly saying: 'join us,'" a documentary source said.

    American Islamist leaders are not immune from playing the Zionist card, either.

    A coalition of American Islamist groups issued a statement condemning a 2001 raid on a Texas computer business for alleged ties to Hamas. "American Muslims view yesterday's action as just one of a long list of attempts by the pro-Israel lobby to intimidate and silence all those who wish to see Palestinian Muslims and Christians free themselves of a brutal Apartheid-like occupation. We believe the genesis of this raid lies not in Washington, but in Tel Aviv." The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Islamic Society of North America, Islamic Circle of North America, Islamic Association for Palestine, Muslim Alliance in North America, Muslim Public Affairs Council, and Muslim Students Association were among the groups signing on to the statement.

    The raids led to the successful prosecution of the company, Infocom, and five brothers who helped run it for laundering money for Hamas chief Musa Abu Marzook and violating sanctions against Libya and Syria.

    Zaid Shakir, co-founder of Al-Zaytuna College in California, has repeatedly cast the 1993 World Trade Center bombing "as undertaken by Zionist forces to give proof to their allegations concerning the magnitude of 'Islamic fundamentalist' terrorism, and as a pretext to intensify their anti-Islamic propaganda campaign in the U.S. media." When a radical online group called RevolutionMuslim threatened the producers of "South Park" for an episode depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit, two CAIR officials hinted that the hand of Zionists was lurking in the shadows.

    "Most suspect the group is fraudulent," CAIR-Chicago Executive Director Ahmed Rehab wrote in a Chicago Tribune column. "Its mysterious leader, born Joseph Cohen, is an American Jew who converted to Islam in 2000 after living in Israel and attending an orthodox rabbinical school there." National spokesman Ibrahim Hooper dismissed the threat, saying "most Muslims suspect they [Revolution Muslim] were set up only to make Muslims look bad." Zachary Chesser, one of the men behind the threats, entered guilty pleas in October to charges related to the South Park incident and for conspiring to provide material support to the Somali terrorist group al-Shabaab.



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    http://networkedblogs.com/czOYu

    Egypt: A Nation of Political Imbeciles

    Going one better, Essam El-Irian, a senior member of the Muslim Brotherhood, says that while he believes “the Israeli Mossad was behind the incident,” he won’t rule out the possibility that al Qaeda itself may now be under Israeli operational control. And in a bid for Christian-Muslim unity, Gamal Assad, a Christian member of Egypt’s parliament, accuses the perpetrators of “carrying out a Zionist scheme aimed at fragmenting the Arab region as a whole.”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...6058382591955692.html?mod=djemEditorialPage_h
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    And again...can you see the common link here?

    Vulture tagged by Israeli scientists flies into Saudi Arabia ... and is arrested for being a spy


    A vulture tagged by scientists at Tel Aviv University has strayed into Saudi Arabian territory, where it was promptly arrested on suspicion of being a Mossad spy, Israeli and Saudi media reported Tuesday.
    The bird was found in a rural area of the country wearing a transmitter and a leg bracelet bearing the words 'Tel Aviv University', according to the reports, which surfaced first in the Israeli daily Ma'ariv.
    Although these tags indicate that the bird was part of a long-term research project into migration patters, residents and local reporters told Saudi Arabia's Al-Weeam newspaper that the matter seemed to be a 'Zionist plot.'

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    The accusations went viral, with hundreds of posts on Arabic-language websites and forums claiming that the 'Zionists' had trained these birds for espionage.
    The Sinai regional governor last month suggested that a shark that killed and maimed tourists on its Red Sea port may have been intentionally released by Israeli agents in order to sabotage the country's tourist industry.
    'What is being said about the Mossad throwing the deadly shark in the sea to hit tourism in Egypt is not out of the question. But it needs time to confirm,' Mohamed Abdel Fadil Shousha said, according to the Sun.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...entists-flies-Saudi-Arabia--arrested-spy.html
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Duh...edumaction is bwoken !

    DD
     
  10. KaiSeR SoZe

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    I don't think Islam, at its very core, is the problem. It's the current brand of islam that a few people (very powerful people it seems) practice.

    Islam has had a period of tolerance and scientific advancement. It used to be the scientific power of the world during the Fatamid Period.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatimid_Caliphate

    They need to somehow go back to that, I honestly don't see it happening.
     
  11. R0ckets03

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    Thats obviously ****in dumb.

    But what is your point of posting all these articles? We Muslims know these problems exist. Don't think there is much to debate about.
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    I know that reasonable muslims know this. But you just need to look at some of the posters here, and for instance look at how apparently a lot of Pakistanis think about the murder of Salman Taseer (http://forum.pakistanidefence.com/index.php?showtopic=92127&pid=1282386&st=0&#entry1282386) and you will see that the problem is that not everyone is as reasonable as you...unfortunately.

    For some reason, one of my main contacts with Muslims is taxi drivers (I don't have exact numbers, but my guess is that in some cities in Germany, >80% are from Iran or Turkey, not sure why), and whenever I talk to one of them, I realize that almost all of them seem to believe the kind of propaganda that I quoted in one of my last posts, e.g. about Israel. I know this might sound crazy, but it is true. I think if you were to poll German Muslims about whether all jews were evacuated from the WTC before 9/11, you would be shocked about the results.
     
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    That's not only German Muslims or extremist that fill that way. My dad is no way an extremist. Quite the opposite actually. Loves to gamble, etc. etc. He too firmly believes that all Jews were evacuated from the buildings on 9/11. At first I got into a bunch of arguments with him, trying to show how ridiculous that line of thinking is, but eh....

    And it goes the other way too. Don't many Jews believe that Muslims were warned not to go to work on 9/11?

    Off topic, but last year me, my brother and two friends were traveling in Peru. Went on a rafting trip where it was basically 10 just-out-of-the-army Israelis and four of us Muslims. We got along great from the beginning. They were all young. Some of them said how their parents also believed that Muslims did not go to work on 9/11.

    It was great hanging out with them. Nobody likes to say more racist jokes then I do and they all took it in stride and vice versa. Also informative in that they explained how they have quite a few Muslims friends back in Jerusalem and when not in the army they don't really encounter the bad side of the Jews/Muslim relationship quite often.
     
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    I had the same experience when I traveled to Israel (Tel Aviv and Jerusalem) last year. Everyone we met was great.
     
  15. R0ckets03

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    I don't keep up much on the Israeli/Palestine front, but watching the news in the US one would think that all of them would kill each other given the chance.

    I actually had asked the Israelis if Muslims are even allowed in Israel. They told me to stop watching American news. Even invited me to come stay at their parents houses if I ever go to Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. Said we would go party like its 1999.
     
  16. Hydhypedplaya

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    Muslims are, as long as they have an American passport. A Palestinian who was born in Jerusalem but now resides in the West Bank has no chances of ever returning to where he or she was born.
     
  17. s land balla

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    Not true.

    Many Palestinians have sufficient identification to gain access into Israel.
     
  18. Hydhypedplaya

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    Today, in 2011, the only Palestinians who are allowed into Israel are those seeking medical treatment or for work. They cannot stay for longer than six months.

    http://www.knesset.gov.il/laws/special/eng/citizenship_law.htm

    During the period in which this law shall remain in force, despite what is said in any legal provision, including article 7 of the Citizenship Law, the Minister of the Interior shall not grant the inhabitant of an area citizenship on the basis of the Citizenship law, and shall not give him a license to reside in Israel on the basis of the Entry into Israel Law, and the Area Commander[/B] shall not grant a said inhabitant, a permit to stay in Israel[/B], on the basis with the security legislation in the area.

    Area = West Bank / Gaza Strip
     
  19. s land balla

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    So if they get a job in Israel, as my Palestinian tour guide did, they technically still have a chance to return to where they were born, rather than "no chance."

    It's sort of like people of Indian origin who were born in present-day Pakistan not being allowed to visit India today.
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    Hello from Tel Aviv.

    A lot of Israelis are Arab, most of which are Muslim (some are Christian). Of course they're allowed in the country.
     

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