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Islamist Mursi's power grab, assault on judiciary

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Nov 22, 2012.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/59852.aspx

    Apparently some people have died in the clashes, but just rumors no confirmation at this point.

    Egyptian VP Mahmoud Mekky made a public speech just as security forces withdrew and violent MB protesters swooped in... beautifully choreographed piece of work, which would make Mubarak himself proud.

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/in..._suggests_way_out_of_crisis.html?cid=34112750

    I venture to say Egypt will become your biggest problem in the Middle East no matter what happens. It will turn staunchly anti-imperialist or staunchly extremist-islamic within the decade IMO. Morsi is your best hope of maintaining your precious interests and Obama is meeting with him IIRC on the 17th December just 2 days after it is expected that Morsi's sham constitution goes for voting.
     
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    Muslim Brotherhood gangsters brutally attacking a pro-democracy protester.
     
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    I applaud the brave Egyptians who fight the Islamist oppression.

    Mursi and the Muslim Brotherhood are taking pages out of Hitler's playbook. Castrating the media, unions, judges, forcing a dictatorial/extremist "constitution" on people with tricks, violence against minorities (Copts), etc.
     
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    I think the real wild card here is what the military ends up doing. It sounds like they are getting fed up with the demonstrations but are not enamored of Morsi either.
     
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    Careful to get too excited about what you think is just another opportunity to reinforce your anti-Muslim obsession. Many of the demonstrators are secular folks who are fairly left and you would hate them just as much. A really democratic Egypt will not aid the opppresion of the Palestinians like you wish.

    Hey at least I can join you as I also support the folks who are resisting Morsi's power grab. Egyptian democracy is still birthing.
     
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    You cannot look at other countries and define "left" and "right" as they are entrenched in the USA.

    First of all, I don't care if they are "left" or "right", but if you are oppressed and you resist that oppression, it doesn't mean you are "left". It just means that you want freedom.

    In your view of the world, "wanting freedom" = you are left.

    I don't want Palestinians to be oppressed, but the Islamists Hamas are oppressing them/holding them hostage. I don't want Egyptians to be oppressed, either. The "Muslim Brotherhood" Islamists are oppressing them now.
     
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    No, I don't like them because they are terrorists and murderers and do things like this.

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    I can think very straight. Do you know anything about the Muslim Brotherhood?

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    Ideology & Methodology

    According to founder al-Banna, “It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.” Therefore, the Muslim Brotherhood opposes secular tendencies of Islamic nations and wants a return to the precepts of the Qur'an. The Brotherhood firmly rejects all notions of Western influences in addition to rejecting extreme Sufism as well. Brotherhood members organize events from prayer meetings to sport clubs for socializing.

    The organization's motto: “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”

    Jihad & Terrorism

    An important aspect of the Muslim Brotherhood ideology is the sanctioning of jihad such as the 2004 fatwa issued by Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi making it a religious obligation of Muslims to abduct and kill U.S. citizens in Iraq. al-Banna wrote that the Islamic flag must be raised again in the territories once ruled by Islam: "Thus, Andulasia (Spain), Sicily, the Balkans, the Italian coast, as well as the islands of the Mediterranean are all Muslim Meditarranean colonies, and they must return to the embrace of Islam."

    The Brotherhood is also viewed by many in the Middle East and the West as the root source for Islamic terrorism. In 2005, a former Kuwaiti Minister of Education, Dr. Ahmad al-Rabi', wrote in the Saudi-owned Asharq al-awsat newspaper: "The beginings of all the religious terrrorism that we are witnessing today were int he Muslim Brotherhood's ideology .. all those who worked with bin-Laden and al-Qaida went out under the mandate of the Muslim Brotherhood."

    Indeed, the Muslim Brotherhood not only condemned the US for killing bin-Laden in May 2011, they also facilitated the growth of al-Qaida. Abdullah Azzam, bin-Laden's mentor, came out of the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood; Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin-Laden's deputy, came from the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood; Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, grew up in the Kuwaiti Muslim Brotherhood.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/muslimbrotherhood.html
     

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