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Islamic woman executed for killing her rapist

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by downbytheriver, Oct 26, 2014.

  1. downbytheriver

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    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/25/world/meast/iranian-woman-execution/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    Seems women are just supposed to lie down and take it when being raped. Another reason why rape stats from the ME are pointless-- none of them are reported. Anyone care to discuss the harsh and unfair judgment behind a mask of human rights in Islam? Can't wait for the excuse on this one.. ..
     
  2. Mathloom

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    Despicable.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=6157

    HOW SHARIA LAW PUNISHES RAPED WOMEN


    Hasan Mahmud

    Hasan.mahmud@hotmail.com


    On October 30, 2008, the United Nations condemned the stoning to death of Aisha Duhulowa, a 13-year-old girl who had been gang-raped and then sentenced to death by a Sharia court for fornication (Zina). She was screaming and begging for mercy, but when some family members attempted to intervene, shots were fired by the Islamic militia and a baby was killed. This happens in Sharia courts of other countries also. The village Sharia courts in Bangladesh, although illegal, regularly punish raped minor girls and women by flogging and beating them with shoes. In Pakistan similar cases of punishing raped women are Mina v. the State, Bibi v. the State and Bahadur v. the State. In Pakistan similar cases of punishing raped women are Mina v. the State, Bibi v. the State and Bahadur v. the State.[ii] Sharia courts in Pakistan have punished many thousands of raped women by long term imprisonment.[iii] It became so chronic that raped women stopped reporting to police.


    There is a traceable dynamic in Sharia law about this barbarity. As we will shortly see, the laws are constructed in such a way that punishing raped women was almost inevitable. Problem is, rape was included in Hudud cases and any change in Hudud, let alone abandoning them is not allowed. Mawdudi, the founding father of modern Radical Islam, claims that even if all the world’s Muslims together wanted to make the slightest change in these laws, they would not be allowed to do so.[iv] Another key element of all Hudood laws is that only eye-witnesses are acceptable and no circumstantial evidence can be accepted.[v] Also, there are laws that virtually protect rapists just by monetary punishment, such as:-


    * A rapist is obliged to pay the victim the amount typically received as marriage payment to similar brides.[vi]

    * If the rapist cannot be punished for any reason he will pay the victim the amount equal to bride-money.[vii]


    These laws do not warrant any other punishment, do not explain how and why a rapist “cannot be punished” and be available to pay compensation. Nor do they discuss the possibility of a rapist’s financial inability to pay.



    The Quran does not mention rape. It severely prohibits Zina that means sexual relation between a man and woman not married to each other. It can be translated as “adultery” for married persons and “fornication” for the unmarried. Muslim jurists included rape under Zina because, even though forced on the victim, sexual relations “between a man and woman not married to each other” have taken place.



    Death sentence of rapists came from Prophet’s example: - “Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr: When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. …..he said: Stone him to death”.[viii] This Hadis is the base of the Sharia law: - The rapist will be punished to death if force on the victim is proven.[ix]

    So far so good – but problem starts from here, about proof of rape. There are specific requirements of Sharia law about it.


    (A) "Proof of Zina (adultery) or Zina Bil-Jabr (rape) liable to Hadd shall be one of the following:
    (a) The accused makes confession, or
    (b) There are at least four Muslim adult male witnesses”[x]

    (B) "Proof of adultery or rape liable to Hadd shall be one of the following:
    (a) The accused makes confession, or
    (b) There are at least four Muslim adult male witnesses.”[xi]


    (C) “Punishment will take place when Zina or rape has been proved by witness.”[xii]

    (D) Sharia Law rejects the witness of women in Hudood cases.[xiii]

    (E) “The evidence of women is originally inadmissible on account of their weakness of understanding, want of memory and incapacity of governing.”[xiv]

    So we see that it is virtually impossible to prove in a Sharia court that the victim has been raped because such “proofs” are almost impossible to obtain and because circumstantial evidence is not accepted. On the other hand, “sex outside marriage” is proven by the woman reporting rape or by physical scars, torn clothes or pregnancy. Then the laws of “Punishment for Sex Outside Marriage” are applied. Those are stoning to death for married victims and/or flogging and/or exile for the unmarried.[xv]


    On the other hand, a rapist has simply to deny the crime and get away Scot free. As the New York Times reports: “Ms. Lawal, a divorced woman, identified a man as the father of her child. The man denied the charge, swore on the Koran, and was deemed innocent by the trial court. No one suggested DNA tests.”[xvi]

    But DNA tests have no place in Hudood Laws either. The BBC reported that Zafran Bibi of Pakistan “went to the police to register a case of rape, but she herself was instead sentenced to death for having an adulterous affair.”[xvii] About conducting a DNA test to identify the rapist, the Dawn reports: “Justice Ali Nawaz Chauhan of the Lahore High Court has observed that the DNA test is not acceptable as evidence to establish the offence of Zina under the Hudood laws which require a direct testimony in such cases….”[xviii]

    This is how Sharia Law punishes raped women. The sources of these laws span the period from the 7th century to recent times. The jurists missed the point that rape is a crime of its own kind. It has a devastating psychological and social impact on raped women. They are shamed to death, socially outcast, unsuitable for marriage, bring shame on the family and in some countries become the victims of honor killing. In Muslim countries many raped women commit suicide. There has never been a concerted and effective effort to end this barbarity. World Muslims must reject this barbarity or Islam itself will continue to be judged as barbaric.

    The screams of little Aisha Duhulowa will echo around the world until this is done.

    -----------------------------

    This is a key part of Sharia law. How many Muslims want this? Let's see.

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  4. Mathloom

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    Leave it to ATW to display blatant ignorance by assuming sunni sharia and shia sharia are both some imaginary uniform set of laws called sharia lol and then to it off by posting a poll constituting almost entirely sunni participants to back up his point about autocratic shia law.

    It's pretty great that he's outing himself as a xenophobe though, saves everyone else the trouble.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Oh, so did it save this rape victim from execution that she was a victim of "shia sharia law" instead of "sunni sharia law"? Did it make a difference for her?

    And if you want the poll for shia participants, here you go:

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  6. Air Langhi

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    This is the actual tittle of the Article:

    Iran executes woman who killed her alleged rapist

    Iran executes woman who killed her rapist



    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-of-her-alleged-attempted-rapist-9817712.html

    The reason for the outrage is that it sounds like she didn't get a fair trail, That happens in America too especially if you are black. It looks like she decided to murder the guy because of an alleged sexual assault. If you go kill someone who assaulted you a few days later I think you go jail here too.
     
  7. shastarocket

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    This case is disgusting but I'd like to remind everyone that op believes Tristan Thompson committed sexual assault on TV
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    Of course the difference here is that sexual assault is prosecuted.
     
  9. CometsWin

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    Sounds like she was executed for admittedly murdering someone.
     
  10. Dairy Ashford

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    I'm not sure there would have been enough evidence of rape rather than consensual sex to exonerate her over here, of course the fairly screwed up criteria for reporting rape coupled with the likely penalties for adultery or just ordinary pre-marital sex create some kooky decision trees.
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    If only they had a legit justice system to figure it out
     
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    Well they didn't need to figure that out. She admitted to doing it apparently.
     
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    Not surprising to see CometsWin side with a dictatorial Islamist regime - we have seen it before.
     
  14. Mr. Clutch

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    "Apparently"
     
  15. downbytheriver

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    You're reachin, brother. YOU'RE REACHIN.

    Islamic diplomats have immunity to use women whenever and however they want. Do you have any family/friends who have served in the M.E. outside of the front lines? Rape is a WAY OF LIFE over there amongst the common man and normally goes unreported. With the higher ups, it's always swept under the rug. This woman took a stand and was punished for defending her boundaries.

    You're MOCKING the same freedom this country was found on under the name of G*D.
     
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    sounds like you're describing the US military and their rape culture.
     
  17. downbytheriver

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    You can throw rocks at me for exposing your world.. or you can take accountability for your weaknesses and try to improve. one of the reasons folk in the west have outpaced you 500fold over the past few centuries is because we take accountability and wake up each day with the goal of improving on our failures. as men, as christians, as employees, etc.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    99% percent of the sexual assault cases reported in the US military would not even be touched in a Muslim majority nation
     
  19. AroundTheWorld

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    Thanks for letting us know where you stand - why do you hate the USA?
     
  20. fallenphoenix

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    excuse me? do you assume think i'm muslim? you know what they say about assuming

    i don't hate america at all, don't try to put words in my mouth. america's capitalistic economy has provided my family and me with a great life. i'm very pro usa. i'm allowed to criticize something and not hate it. just like i'm critical of some things the rockets do, but i still bleed rockets red.
     
    #20 fallenphoenix, Oct 26, 2014
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