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Islamic Presenation causes Contreversy in Houston Area Junior High

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Jun 9, 2008.

  1. Ehsan

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    1) One would assume that God would take different circumstances into account... right?

    You clearly don't have enough information to discuss this. You're assuming that Muhammad PBUH was chatting it up with God throughout his entire life. That is not the case.

    Contrary to you, I won't question what God does. I won't decide WHO God is to suit what I think may be right. How can that possibly be right?

    2) Well, if the Middle East is being targetted for this behavior, maybe the U.S. should be as well?

    What you're describing is not freedom. It's a structure through which the most powerful gets to question the rest. Which, obviously, will give motive to everyone to be most powerful.

    3) It's questioned. All religions are questioned. The Qura'an, and Islam, won't change. It cannot change or it will lose it's meaning. So question ALL you want, but it won't change. Then what can be done? If you impose your belief because you can, should Islam impose its belief when it can?

    The only way to satisfy you is a wipe out. Because editing the Qura'an is destroying it. That is, inherently, a wipe out.

    4) By the same token, I can argue that you are changing God as it suits you. Does that make you wrong?

    As I said before. The MOST convenient religion is yours.

    Maybe you could provide a solution to how all religions will be free to practice? I'd like to hear your thoughts.
     
  2. Ehsan

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    1) Just to clarify number one in my previous quote. The Qura'an, which you have never read, is not a recollection of stories, poems, etc... It is not specific to what was happening at the time.

    The Qura'an was descended essentially as a book of law. Muhammad's (PBUH) explanations afterwards are like policy. No one is above the law.

    The Bible, as I understand it, is not this kind of book.

    You not knowing that may have confused you.

    Stop being so stubborn and pick up a Qura'an and read it. Just read it. I've read the Bible. I've read the Torah. i think everyone should read all the major books. Why don't you pick up the Qura'an and read it?
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Wrong - why would GOD...the all mighty all powerful take into consideration one man's trials in life? I mean this is GOD we are talking about, the creator, the entity that made the universe.

    But you see, the Koran like all religious books is based on the rule of man......a set of laws to rule over man.

    Does God need that? I mean he is all powerful, why does he need one guy on earth to speak for him?

    Answer - he doesn't.

    I don't question GOD either, I question men who proport to talk to or for God. You see, they have no proof, it is just one man saying.... follow me, I am talking to God.....

    I just do not for one second believe that Muhammed was talking to God.

    The Middle East is not being targeted, it is simply a region of conflict that has major interest to the world because of it's vast oil reserves.

    No, everyone can question everyone, it is freedom of thought.....where is that in the theocracies these days? Oh yeah, it is not there at all....

    I believe all religion is imposing it's beliefs that is the very nature of religion.....Islam is no different, though it is getting outdated as science marches on.....

    I believe that history will whipe it out, just as it did to the Greeks, Romans, Summarians, Babylonians, Egyptians....all religion......eventually Islam will be whiped out as well as it becomes more and more antiquated in it's beliefs.

    No, it doesn't and I don't claim to be right....that is your area.......I claim that none of us have it right, and that God is an unknown to mortal man.

    I don't have a religion, but I would be more inclined to follow one that had a consistent message.

    All religions should be free to practice, what is wrong with that? They should be free to practice in every corner of the world.

    I have no issue with religions practicing, I just have issues with killing in the name of God or religion, or when someone claims to be talking to God to start a religion.

    To me, a lot of the religions in their beginnings are similar to the modern day cults started by Warren Jeffs, or David Koresh, or Jim Jones (Not in their killing etc) but in their claiming to be the one true prophet.

    Throughout history people have made this claim and continue to make this claim, sometimes they catch on, other times not......

    This is how I see the majority of religions......they just caught on.... in popularity...

    I did pick it up years ago to read, and for me, I could not get into it, as I never could get over the hurdle that Muhammed was talking to God.....I just don't believe that for one second.

    And if you have questions about the validity of Muhammed as a prophet, then you certainly can not believe what he alleges came from God/Allah.

    Why are there multiple religions? If God wanted, couldn't he/she/it just come down and say "enough" - here is what I want......

    God does not need man.....man needs God.

    DD
     
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  4. DaDakota

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    Agreed, but the issue is not the presentation but rather that parents should have been notified beforehand.

    I believe you are incorrect: It was pointed out there was a bullying which had NOTHING to do with religion or beliefs, and the two students in the incident had it handled by the principal.

    CAIR heard that one of the students was Muslim and threatened a hate crime report....the Principal was told by administrators NOT to involve the student body...she did anyway......and the result was a reassigment.

    If there was some descrimination of Muslims going on, then by all means I could see CAIR offering to come in....but still in that type of instance the Parents should have been notified and they themselves could have been invited to the assembly - which should have been voluntary.

    There is a reason that church and state are seperate in this country......keep it that way.

    DD
     

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