Islamic Presenation causes Contreversy in Houston Area Junior High

A very effective tactic is to "poison the waters" with rumors and innuendo. Did you know that Obama might be a closet Muslim?

One of your own favorite sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations

News article where parents demand reinstatement of prinicpal, with an apology:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5830406.html

Additional info:

http://www.khou.com/news/local/education/stories/khou080610_tnt_friendswood.1cc55e4d.html

Show me again where it has been "proven" that CAIR is a front.

 

I am voting for Obama, you may find this funny but I would not mind it if he was a Muslim at all. Religious beliefs are a tertiary issue for me in regards to running the country.

And of course some parents are asking for her reinstatement, there are two sides to this argument.

How come you have completely avoided the issue of CAIR being a terrorist supporter and with a radical Islamic agenda?

DD

 

nice article by mr. friedman
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/opinion/11friedman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

 

You're relentless. "Tiger defending Islam"? More like "Tiger exposing misinformation, rumors and innuendos about Islam and Muslims."

This is why it's completely pointless to engage you in anything. Carry on...

 

LOL - yet you fail to acknowledge the links from other Muslims about the bias and ties of CAIR, and don't bother to read the article from a completely non biased Discover magazine.

DD

 

I posted tons of links about CAIR and what other Muslim leaders have to say, look for yourself.

And from the Chronicle link above:

"Hanks described the trash can incident as a "random, impulsive act" that had nothing to do with religious preference or ethnicity. The offending student was disciplined, she said"

and

"Hanks told the crowd the Islamic group had viewed the incident involving the Muslim student as a "hate crime" and had even reported it to the FBI."

This is UTTER BULL HOCKEY !!!

It is a group making up some crap, threatening the school with a bogus Hate crime, which they reported anyway, to strong arm their way in to give a presentation.

If this is not Peter crying wolf, I don't know what is......

This is political correctness gone wild and a complete lack of backbone by the principal, I don't know if she should be fired, but I would want someone a little stronger than that in a leadership position.

Just because someone screams racism does not make it so......

Unreal.

DD

 

I haven't because those rumors have been around for a while.

Someone better tell the White House.

Why would President Bush and Colin Powell share a podium with these guys?

http://www.usembassyjakarta.org/press_rel/powell_remark.html

 

Your post fails by a long shot.

LOL - when was that picture taken, when did the allegations about CAIR come out?

Come on...you post a link to a 2002 article.....that is some serious reaching.

CAIR is pushing their agenda, and in an arena they need to be slapped back from......

You can argue all you want, but the truth is right there, out in front whether you choose to acknowledge it or not......



DD

 

Typically hyperbole from Friedman, he always finds it much easier to jump to 'grand conclusions' about the world, or envisioning 'grand new trends', mostly to support his own views and push his own agenda.

If anyone here truly believes that the mere election, and not the actions, of a Barack Hussein Obama will fix our 'image' problems in the world, then please pass me some of that kool-aid.

 

Tiger,

I do think having Obama in the White house helps establish more credibility in foreign relations particularly in the countries where Bush is viewed as an evil Crusader.

He will still be defined by his and congresses actions, but at least when our leaders sit down at the table people may be more open to discourse.

DD

 

The opinions of "other Muslims" -- rival organizations, mostly -- hold about as much value as your own: they're still "opinions".

Your whole thesis boils down to this: "where there is smoke, there is fire." You've already reached a conclusion, I'm fine with that. I have no personal interest or investment in CAIR or any other similar organization. I can tell you this: they will continue to be used as an asset in federal law enforcement in this country.

 

They should be involved, when necessary, here they made up some crap and demanded a meeting.

Regarding CAIR and law enforcement: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"



DD

 

damn you're a cynic---> that's okay for you, but i refuse to give up on humanity.

 

The only reason for that "fresh start" is because he would be a "fresh face", as in a new administration, not because his name is "Barack Hussein Obama". Same holds true for any new administration. Arabs were a lot more excited about the election of George Bush than they would ever be about an Obama administration. Bush was viewed as a 'friend' of the Arab world, someone with strong personal/familial and business ties to the region. Arab-Americans overwhelmingly voted for him the first time around in 2000. They thought he would be more like his dad. How is that relationship working out right now?

 

I looked at the websites you provided and they looked very similar to most propaganda scare sites.

Someone better alert the government on the dangerous company they are keeping...

http://news.findlaw.com/prnewswire/20080407/07apr20081801.html

Or Georgetwon University:

http://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=32614

 

I've just skimmed this thread since I last posted and I guess I shouldn't be surprised that DD is still going on. I haven't had time to check out all of DD's links but it looks like the first link you provided regarding CAIR's terrorists connection isn't the damning piece of evidence you, DD, might think but actually points towards a questionable legal tactic being employed by prosecutors.

http://www.nysun.com/national/islamic-groups-named-in-hamas-funding-case/55778/

[rquoter]Prosecutors applied the label of "unindicted co-conspirator" to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America, and the North American Islamic Trust in connection with a trial planned in Texas next month for five officials of a defunct charity, the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development.
...
Judge A. Joe Fish will have to decide whether to accept the government's description of the alleged conspiracy.

The practice of publicly naming unindicted co-conspirators is frowned on by some in the legal community, chiefly because there is no trial or other mechanism for those named to challenge their designation. Justice Department guidelines discourage the public identification of unindicted co-conspirators by the government.

"In all public filings and proceedings, federal prosecutors should remain sensitive to the privacy and reputation interests of uncharged third-parties," the Justice Department's manual for prosecutors says. When co-conspirator lists have to be filed in court, prosecutors should seek to file them under seal, the guidelines say.[/rquoter]

The article also backs up Tiger's argument that CAIR has cooperated with law enforcement.

[rquoter]A New York Times article published in March said unidentified government officials believed that the criticism of CAIR was unwarranted. A former FBI official, Michael Rolince, said yesterday that the co-conspirator designation might prompt CAIR to be more direct in denouncing terrorism but was no reason to cut off all contact with the group.

"People could say the same thing about the FBI. They're not all choirboys," he said. "We don't go into this with blinders on."[/rquoter]

So while there are certainly things in CAIR that are questionable CAIR doesn't appear to be the villianous organization made out to be but like any large organization there are its critics and there are its supporters.

 

Back to the specific subject at hand.

Weighing on the question of whether all religious groups should be included I think that would be a great idea that students learn about other religious groups but there is a specific reason why Islam was presented because there was a specific incident that prompted that. More than that given that we are currently at war in two Islamic countries and Islam is a major topic in current events it makes more sense than ever that more people learn what Islam is about.

Regarding not informing the parents I think ideally that should be the case and ideally parents should always know what their kids are learning but if informing is the issue then should parents be informed everytime a guest speaker is coming to school? I remember in highschool we had a bunch of guest speakers come and talk about everything from starting a small business to someone who survived the 1906 Galveston Hurricane and I don't recall the school notifiying my parents. The only reason why there is a stink regarding notification in this incident is clearly the subject matter and the group and not the overall idea that parents should be notified.

This whole issue strikes me as not just a tempest in a tea pot but a tempest in a shot glass.

 

Sounds like an educational presentation.

 

You need to read more of the links.

But did you see where there was no religious incident at all, just one of the two students happened to be Muslim?

CAIR stuck their nose in and made it about their cause.

Ok but not withouts parents permission and not by a group strong arming their way in with a clear cut agenda.

Please tell me you did not just compare starting a small business speaker to one regarding religion.

Fair enough, but to others it is a symptom of a bigger problem.

Fixed it for ya.


DD

 

hey Dak

if you can't get your point across in less than 93 posts(out of 278), maybe it isnt that great of a point.