http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=adf1a83154acea60d091b413c&id=50d252887e&e=4562ff0c34 BELOW ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS USED IN TRAINING TROOPS, WHICH HAVE NOW BEEN TAKEN OUT. Since when does The United States take orders from others concerning matters of national security? Especially taking advice on how to deal with terrorists from groups like the Terrorist affiliated C.A.I.R. When did the USA start turning on their own to appease radical religious groups? Edit: No where in this post did I insult Muslims or Islam. My comments were directed at the weak way the POTUS is bowing down to the slightest pressure when it comes to religious extremists of all faiths, and threatening your Nation’s core principles of free speech and academic freedoms that are guaranteed by your Constitution... Your thoughts.
If this kind of paranoia is being taught in the military, there is really little hope left for America.
There is a local group; C.A.I.R. Houston, who have done a lot of good in this community. C.A.I.R. is not a terrorist affiliated group or organization. This is unfortunately another terrible rumor that is trying to bring down anything positive about Islam or Muslims.
Uh...I'm pretty sure bombing Mecca and Medina without regard for civilian life, and perpetuating a modern day "Dresden" or "Hiroshima" falls under the category of "what the f**k are you even thinking?".
This class is teaching that Islam in general is the enemy and not the terrorists and calls for blowing up Mecca and Medina? And Muslim organizations aren't suppose to be upset by this? Democracy is for everyone in the US - Muslim groups don't like this and they are voicing their opinion. How is this wrong? I can totally see all Jewish organizations being completely okay if the US military called for the bombing of Jerusalem and eliminating Judaism. How about the idea of bombing New Orleans to eliminate blacks...err I mean crime? There are some members on this board that I do not agree with at all. Especially in this forum. But IzakDavid and gwaeyneco are the holy duo of stupidity. And WTF makes these Islamic organizations "radical religious groups" for voicing their opinion peacefully? Your dumb ass can commence posting pointless pictures now to make some stupid ass point that is only valid in your stupid ass brain. I really hope somebody else is raising your three daughters.
The United States of America are our allies. These were the questions I put forth... No where did I insult Muslims or Islam. My comments were directed at the weak way the POTUS is bowing down to the slightest pressure when it comes to religious extremists of all faiths, and threatening your Nation’s core principles of free speech and academic freedoms that are guaranteed by your Constitution...and instead of dealing with the points raised in the thread... You attack my family values and the way I raise my children, by your insensitive comment 'I really hope somebody else is raising your three daughters.', and you don't even know me or have any idea how I raise my 4 children. I am sorry that I am not raising my children to hold up placards demanding beheadings for people who insult my beliefs...where were your calls for that child to be raised by different parents? Way to stay classy. If you think that your low blows will intimidate me, then you are mistaken. ~~~~~~ Point to one place in my Original Post where I insulted Muslims or Islam... But as usual no one can dare say anything about Islam unless we are glorifying it as the religion of peace, the champion of both human and women's rights and the most tolerant of all religions. Any perceived insult is met with ferocity, anger and personal attacks. ~~~~~ Anyway...for the next time you bring my family up in your post... Here is a picture of my 3 daughters on a recent trip to Dreamworld, movieworld and the Australian Zoo...they look pretty happy to me. Spoiler At home... I have a son too, so next time you can include him in your comments. Spoiler God bless you. have a nice day. This is a pic of me, just incase you are wondering... Spoilered because NSFW...(one ugly bloke) Spoiler
Yeah, really. http://www.meforum.org/916/cair-islamists-fooling-the-establishment Terrorists in Its Midst Perhaps the most obvious problem with CAIR is the fact that at least five of its employees and board members have been arrested, convicted, deported, or otherwise linked to terrorism-related charges and activities. Randall ("Ismail") Royer, an American convert to Islam, served as CAIR's communications specialist and civil rights coordinator; today he sits in jail on terrorism-related charges. In June 2003, Royer and ten other young men, ages 23 to 35, known as the "Virginia jihad group," were indicted on forty-one counts of "conspiracy to train for and participate in a violent jihad overseas." The defendants, nine of them U.S. citizens, were accused of association with Lashkar-e-Taiba, a radical Islamic group designated as a foreign terrorist organization by the U.S. Department of State in 2001. They were also accused of meeting covertly in private homes and at the Islamic Center in Falls Church to prepare themselves for battle by listening to lectures and watching videotapes.[21] As the prosecutor noted, "Ten miles from Capitol Hill in the streets of northern Virginia, American citizens allegedly met, plotted, and recruited for violent jihad."[22] According to Matthew Epstein of the Investigative Project, Royer helped recruit the others to the jihad effort while he was working for CAIR. The group trained at firing ranges in Virginia and Pennsylvania; in addition, it practiced "small-unit military tactics" at a paintball war-games facility in Virginia, earning it the moniker, the "paintball jihadis."[23] Eventually members of the group traveled to Pakistan. Five of the men indicted, including CAIR's Royer, were found to have had in their possession, according to the indictment, "AK-47-style rifles, telescopic lenses, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and tracer rounds, documents on undertaking jihad and martyrdom, [and] a copy of the terrorist handbook containing instructions on how to manufacture and use explosives and chemicals as weapons."[24] After four of the eleven defendants pleaded guilty, the remaining seven, including Royer, were accused in a new, 32-count indictment of yet more serious charges: conspiring to help Al-Qaeda and the Taliban battle American troops in Afghanistan.[25] Royer admitted in his grand jury testimony that he had already waged jihad in Bosnia under a commander acting on orders from Osama bin Laden. Prosecutors also presented evidence that his father, Ramon Royer, had rented a room in his St. Louis-area home in 2000 to Ziyad Khaleel, the student who purchased the satellite phone used by Al-Qaeda in planning the two U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa in August 1998.[26] Royer eventually pleaded guilty to lesser firearms-related charges, and the former CAIR staffer was sentenced to twenty years in prison.[27] A coda to the "Virginia jihad network" came in 2005 when a Federal court convicted another Virginia man, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, of plotting to kill President Bush. Prosecutors alleged that Abu Ali participated in the Virginia jihad network's paintball games and perhaps supplied one of his fellow jihadists with an assault rifle.[28] Royer's possible role in Abu Ali's plans are unclear. Ghassan Elashi, the founder of CAIR's Texas chapter, has a long history of funding terrorism. First, he was convicted in July 2004, with his four brothers, of having illegally shipped computers from their Dallas-area business, InfoCom Corporation, to two designated state-sponsors of terrorism, Libya and Syria.[29] Second, he and two brothers were convicted in April 2005 of knowingly doing business with Mousa Abu Marzook, a senior Hamas leader, whom the U.S. State Department had in 1995 declared a "specially designated terrorist." Elashi was convicted of all twenty-one counts with which he was charged, including conspiracy, money laundering, and dealing in the property of a designated terrorist.[30] Third, he was charged in July 2004 with providing more than $12.4 million to Hamas while he was running the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, America's largest Islamic charity.[31] When the U.S. government shuttered Holy Land Foundation in late 2001, CAIR characterized this move as "unjust" and "disturbing."[32] Bassem Khafagi, an Egyptian native and CAIR's onetime community relations director, pleaded guilty in September 2003 to lying on his visa application and passing bad checks for substantial amounts in early 2001,[33] for which he was deported. CAIR claimed Khafagi was hired only after he had committed his crimes and that the organization was unaware of his wrongdoing.[34] But that is unconvincing, for a cursory background check reveals that Khafagi was a founding member and president of the Islamic Assembly of North America (IANA),[35] an organization under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice for terrorism-related activities. CAIR surely knew that IANA under Khafagi was in the business of, as prosecutors stated in Idaho court papers, disseminating "radical Islamic ideology, the purpose of which was indoctrination, recruitment of members, and the instigation of acts of violence and terrorism."[36] For example, IANA websites promoted the views of two Saudi preachers, Salman al-Awdah and Safar al-Hawali, well-known in Islamist circles for having been spiritual advisors to Osama bin Laden.[37] Under Khafagi's leadership, Matthew Epstein has testified, IANA hosted a conference at which a senior Al-Qaeda recruiter, Abdelrahman al-Dosari, was a speaker.[38] IANA disseminated publications advocating suicide attacks against the United States, according to federal investigators.[39] Also, Khafagi was co-owner of a Sir Speedy printing franchise until 1998 with Rafil Dhafir, who was a former vice president of IANA and a Syracuse-area oncologist convicted in February 2005 of illegally sending money to Iraq during the Saddam Hussein regime as well as defrauding donors by using contributions to his "Help the Needy" charitable fund to avoid taxes and to purchase personal assets for himself. Dhafir was sentenced to twenty-two years in prison.[40] Rabih Haddad, a CAIR fundraiser, was arrested in December 2001 on terrorism-related charges and deported from the United States due to his subsequent work as executive director of the Global Relief Foundation, a charity he cofounded[41] which was designated by the U.S. Treasury Department in October 2002 for financing Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations.[42] Siraj Wahhaj, a CAIR advisory board member, was named in 1995 by U.S. attorney Mary Jo White as a possible unindicted coconspirator in the plot to blow up New York City landmarks led by the blind sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman. In defense of having Wahhaj on its advisory board, CAIR described him as "one of the most respected Muslim leaders in America."[43] In October 2004, he spoke at a CAIR dinner. This roster of employees and board members connected to terrorism makes one wonder how CAIR remains an acceptable guest at U.S. government events—and even more so, how U.S. law enforcement agencies continue to associate with it. Links to Hamas CAIR has a number of links to the terror organization Hamas, starting with the founder of its Texas chapter, Ghassan Elashi, as noted above. Secondly, Elashi and another CAIR founder, Omar Ahmad, attended a key meeting in Philadelphia in 1993. An FBI memo characterizes this meeting as a planning session for Hamas, Holy Land Foundation, and Islamic Association of Palestine to find ways to disrupt Israeli-Palestinian diplomacy and raise money for Hamas in the United States.[44] The Philadelphia meeting was deemed such strong proof of Islamic Association of Palestine's relation to Hamas that a federal judge in Chicago in December 2004 ruled the Islamic Association of Palestine partially liable for US$156 million in damages (along with the Holy Land Foundation and Mohammad Salah, a Hamas operative)[45] for having aided and abetted the Hamas murder of David Boim, an American citizen.[46] Third, CAIR's founding personnel were closely linked to the Islamic Association of Palestine, which was founded by Ibrahim Abu Marzook, a senior Hamas operative and husband of Elashi's cousin; according to Epstein, the Islamic Association of Palestine functions as Hamas's public relations and recruitment arm in the United States.[47] The two individuals who established CAIR, Ahmad and Nihad Awad, had been, respectively, the president and public relations director of the Islamic Association of Palestine. Hooper, CAIR's director of communications, had been an employee of the Islamic Association of Palestine.[48] Rafeeq Jabar, president of the Islamic Association of Palestine, was a founding director of CAIR. Fourth, the Holy Land Foundation, which the U.S. government has charged with funneling funds to Hamas, provided CAIR with some of its start-up funding in 1994. (See $5,000 money transfer, figure 1.) In the other direction, according to Joe Kaufman, CAIR sent potential donors to the Holy Land Foundation's website when they clicked on their post-September 11 weblink, "Donate to the NY/DC Disaster Relief Fund."[49] Fifth, Awad publicly declared his enthusiasm for Hamas at Barry University in Florida in 1994: "I'm in support of Hamas movement more than the PLO." As an attorney pointed out in the course of deposing Awad for the Boim case, Awad both supported Hamas and acknowledged an awareness of its involvement in violence.[50] --------------- I already know that people will attack the source. But facts are facts. They are Saudi financed.
Yes really... http://www.redstate.com/jeffdunetz/2010/03/13/fbi-reaffirms-cairs-terrorist-ties/ http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/30/fbi-cuts-ties-cair-following-terror-financing-trial/ Then there is this... But let's not get sidetracked...
It appears the core of the petty Islamic brotherhood has been shaken. mathloom has been resorting to cheap personal insults for a while now, recently including us serviceman in his stealthy vitriol... but for you to stoop to his level by bringing up someone else's daughters is really sad. LOL @ these "rumors" about CAIR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim...erworld_That's_Conspiring_to_Islamize_America Just a rumor. Just a rumor. http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=2428 Just a rumor. http://www.nysun.com/national/islamic-groups-named-in-hamas-funding-case/55778/ Just a rumor. Scary times we live in when so called moderate Muslims like LCAhmed and adeelsiddigi brush off everything that goes against their utopic vision of Islam as "rumors", and liberal pansies like durvasa run to chime in their support for the poor, victimized for profit organization with no real understanding of what they're dealing with... just so he can fit in. Scary times.
What do ATW, Izak, and Ronny have in common? None of them even live in the US Carry on. I'm just sayin.
