Islamic honor killings - why the perps get off easy?

I won't beat around the bush. I really don't care for Islam.

 

Me neither, it's really annoying these days.

 

I respect that cause it's your opinion, but if someone makes bulls**t facts and assumptions, then it becomes a problem.

 

I wish ATW didn't care for Islam, either. But unfortunately, his life revolves around it.

 

Wait, what? You really think ATW is doing something well in this thread?

Or is this sarcasm that flew over my head?

 

i think as other posters have said, in the book and the teachings of the religion, it says nothing but things against something like honor killings, its cultural, I am muslim like the people in this board and and many other american/canadian or english muslims just like some in pakistani, our religion says nothing of it, but its more cultural and from their cultural value set,

there was a time in other places when they were less liberal that if the daughter went and slept around she would get beat or disowned, so on, go back to the early 1900s and look at womans rights right here in america, does it show that then that christianity was against womens right and now that it has evolved christianity changed? no the culture changed...

you remind me of an incident my brother faced at a hs ball game recently, there were a group of black people that were really loud and screaming at the ref, this old grumpy white hick from the other team looked at a seperate black guy who was sitting there quietly and did not know these people and said 'tell your people to shut up'. It was a mixed crowd in terms of who was going for which school so it wasn't about the team he was rooting for, it was just the association that yes there are bad people, in every fate, every race, and whatever social group you want it to be, it doesnt have to be bc they are black they are like that but someone like you might just think so if you were around in the 1950s when this was a big debate, you would say look at the stats of hs grad rate, violence, crime, these people are clearly just different bc of someting, and now the big turmoil issue is with islam and you just generalize and continue to dehumanize people.

Do we condone any of this crap, I absolutely think its ridiculous and if i had power to i would stop it, but i have no connection to it, theres nothing in my religious teaches that touches this stuff, these people have hteir own cultural and personal value systems nad its a damn shame, is there something wrong with Catholics bc it seems so many priests are abusing children and then the heiarchy are covering it up? no its not the religion, its just these bad damn specific persons....

you could generalize all you want, i dont know if its ignorance, prejudice, racism or what, but I think everyone on this board just finds you to be close minded and frankly repulsively redundant/repetitive. We get it, your convinced there is something wrong with the religion and love to find articles about it, just keep it to yourself man and stop littering on the board

 

Clearly, its a serious issue in the "Muslim World". I understand Muslims taking exception to the honor killings being called "Islamic," if by that you mean it comes from accurate Islamic teachings. On the other hand, I think Islam is more than its core teachings. It also must be understood in terms of how its taught and learned, in practice, and the propensity for people to abuse or misunderstand its teachings because of conflicting values embedded into it.

I don't believe there is such a thing as a perfect religion -- though many religious people would probably disagree -- and Islam in particular is far from perfect. It has some good things in it I'm sure, like Christianity or Judaism, and a good person with right mindset can take its core tenets and make themselves a better person with it. Its also flawed, in particular in the manner in which it deals with relationship between men and women. Muslims might claim that Islam actually teaches deep respect for women, but in practice I don't think that's what happens. Men and women are isolated from each other, and the power relationship is clearly tilted towards the male sex. There is too much emphasis placed on abiding by gender-based rules rather than finding and respecting value of the individual. In such an environment, is it any wonder that honor killings would be a consequence?

 

That was a long read. I do not know if ATW has a hidden agenda but say what you will about ATW he does do his research.

ATW apparently I cant rep you anymore

agree with the other poster I don't really care much for Islam... or Christianity or any religion..

 

To the Muslim posters, please stop feeding ze German troll. Let him or her say whatever it wants, because all AroundTheWorld you're gonna get the same song:

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This just came out about an hour ago on Yahoo. Its about honor killings in Hindu culture (caste system). Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that at one point everyone in the Indian subcontinent practiced Hindiusm (before Sikhism, Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam was introduced there). Is it possible that the "honor killings" in the Indian sub-continent (Pakistan, India, Bangaladesh) is a residue from an ancient culture?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp//lifestyleindiatelecommarriage

India district bans cell phones for unmarried women

NEW DELHI (AFP) – A local council in northern India has banned unmarried women from carrying mobile telephones to halt a series of illicit romances between partners from different castes, media reports said Wednesday.
The Baliyan council in Uttar Pradesh state decided to act after at least 23 young couples ran away and got married over the last year against their parents' wishes.
"The panchayat (assembly) was convinced that the couples planned their elopement over their cell phones," village elder Jatin Raghuvanshi told the Calcutta Telegraph.
The rules of inter-caste marriages are complicated and extremely rigid in many rural communities in India, with some lovers even murdered in "honour killings" by relatives trying to protect their family's reputation.
"All parents were told to ensure their unmarried daughters do not use cell phones. The boys can do so, but only under their parents' monitoring," said Satish Tyagi, a spokesman for the village assembly.
Caste discrimination is banned in India but still pervades many aspects of daily life, especially outside the cities.
Traditional Hindu society breaks down into brahmins (priests and scholars), kshatriya (soldiers), vaishya (merchants) and shudra (labourers). Below the caste system are the Dalits, formerly known as "Untouchables".
Caste categories often determine Indians' life prospects, and conservative families will only marry within their own caste sub-division.

 

Maybe, but your article doesn't say anything about honor killings in Hindu culture.

 

ROFL.

I suggest re-reading the link you supplied. Especially the part about the 91% statistic.

Either way, trustme has already shown why the link should be discredited. Daniel Pipes? There's something called objectively.

You've just never heard of it.

 

You better love loving and you better behave
You better love loving and you better behave
Woman in chains, woman in chains

Calls her man the great white hope
Says she's fine, she'll always cope, ooh
Woman in chains, woman in chains

Well, I feel lying and waiting is a poor man's deal (A poor man's deal)
And I feel hopelessly weighed down by your eyes of steel
(Your eyes of steel)
Well, It's a world gone crazy keeps woman in chains, woh woh woh
Woman in chains, woman in chains

Trades her soul as skin and bones
(You better love loving and you better behave)
Sells the only thing she owns
(You better love loving and you better behave) ooh ooh
Woman in chains (the sun and the moon), woman in chains

Men of stone, men of stone, hey baby, no no no, ooh

Well, I feel deep in your heart there are wounds time can't heal
(The time can't heal)
And I feel somebody somewhere is trying to breathe
Well, you know what I mean
It's a world gone crazy keeps woman in chains

It's under my skin but out of my hands
I'll tear it apart (somebody somewhere is trying)
But I won't understand (to breathe)
I will not accept the greatness of man
It's a world gone crazy keeps woman in chains
Gone crazy keeps woman in chains

So free her, so free her, so free her
So free her, so free her (the sun and the moon)
So free (the wind and the rain) her, so free her
So free her, so free her, so free her, so free her
So free her, so free her (the sun and the moon)
So free (the wind and the rain) her, so free her

 

LOve the song.

 

I think this article tells us why

http://www.news.az/articles/society/26369

News.Az interviews the chairman of DEVAMM (the Centre for the Protection of Freedom of Conscience and Religion), rights activist Ilgar Ibrahimoglu.

An attack on 40 displaced Muslims from Bangladesh occurred in Athens recently. When the refugees sheltered in a basement used as a mosque, members of the Golden Dawn right-wing extremist group attacked the basement. What can you say about this?

It is frustrating to hear of the activity of radical extremist groups that are a long way from humanism and humanity in the 21st century. It is even more frustrating to state that the current activity of radical right-wing forces is gaining steam throughout Europe, not only in Greece. These powers are trying to focus all the outrage at problems in their countries on immigrants. This is an extremely erroneous and negative trend which does not lead to the resolution of problems in these countries but promotes an increase in the number of problems that logically arise from a growth of national and religious intolerance, which is demonstrated by extremist groups of right-wing radicals.

When a radical Muslim group takes extremist action, European media create a stir. Why are they silent at the demonstration of such open national and religious intolerance in Athens?

There are independent journalists who consider substantial, impartial coverage of any event to be their main role in leading world and European media. But at the same time, it has to be admitted that leading world, including European media, are not always impartial, they are often engaged and are more concerned with the more profitable promotion of those who pay them for their service rather than with comprehensive and honest coverage of any event. This is wrong and finally leads to the loss of influence of these publications with a fall in their readership.

Do these problems exist in the post-Soviet area, in particular in Russia?

After visiting Moscow recently and meeting representatives of the Azerbaijani diaspora living in the capital, I learned that they do not feel fully protected from displays of national and religious hatred in this megalopolis. I often heard advice not to go out alone, especially late at night. The post-Soviet area also has the same negative trends as leading European countries. In both cases people try to find the reasons for their own problems in immigrants, which often has an undesirable effect.

You mentioned your recent visit to Moscow. What did you do there?

I attended an international Islamic conference held at the initiative of the Russian University of Friendship of Peoples, Moscow Lomonosov State University and the Russian Academy of Sciences. One of the subjects of the conference was understanding Islamic philosophy. It was noted that today there is no single understanding of the philosophy of Islam, that there is a need for further work on this.

 

Damn ATW, this is probably the 18th time you've brought up this topic. The funny part is, the last 15 or so you left after being unable to answer my questions.

 

What's the question?

 

Honestly there are too many to even remember, SJC used to get himself involved by posting all sorts of insane articles, then given appropriate responses. He then conjures up random accusations and claims, and then when given a proper response or asked a question, he simply ignores and leaves the thread, and then starts another one... Kind of like the this thread.

 

Humor us, use the search function.

 

Can you define "Muslim world"?