Islamic Extremists Rejoice at America’s Misfortune

let me know if you go this route. my church may be doing the same. collective wisdom for this would be a good thing.

my understanding is the Red Cross pays for meals for those you're sheltering. and they put you through mandatory training courses. after that, you staff it 24/7.

 

Muslims in Houston are assigned to help with relief efforts on September 11th? That can't be a coincidence, right?

 

they volunteered.

 

Sorry didn't mean assigned, that sounded wrong. I just didn't know if they picked September 11th specifically, or that just happened to be the date their group got. I was just hoping that date wasn't suggested by the city or something just because "it would look good."

 

i'm certain it's not mere coincidence.

at the meeting at 2nd Baptist...there were people from all different faith backgrounds. Ed Young ran the meeting. He assembled a team of leaders for each different faith community, right down to each different protestant denomination. Muslims were there and stood up to take some period of time. When you volunteer to do this, as a group, it means you agree to not only staff the service of food, but you agree to fund it as well.

 

<B>thacabbage

Uhhh yeah....your primary comments were these:</b>

... and they say exactly what they say I said not what you implied.

<B>You're obviously implying some regret at our aiding in the Tsnami relief efforts because of sentiment expressed by some extremists after Katrina.</b>

No I'm not. Don't put words in my mouth.

<B>Uhh yea Captain Obvious, I think we all were quite aware that the extremists didn't feel too kindly about us. Wasn't this expected? America did the noble thing to do because we are above all of that. You also seem to be lumping everyone in that region together as an "extremist".</b>

What I said is that there is nothing wrong with BT's pointing up how low our enemy can/will stoop. I didn't characterize all as extremists. I simply pointed out that our help came regardless-- as the article the other day pointed out about our medical treatment of the enemy.

<B>It's already been noted by some posters in this thread the efforts that Muslims have made towarads Katrina relief. I guess you are more interested in spreading the hatred at a time of crisis like this or as you call it, "understanding our enemy." </b>

My main aim was to question the pasting that BT was getting for stating the obvious.

<B>And before you pull the "you liberals will bash any criticism of our government or Islam" card that you tried to pull last time, I want it stated on the record that I have no problem with Texxx starting this thread and was simply replying to your comments. It was his prerogative to pass along the information, you expounded on that, I took issue with your stance and responded to you. The way any debate between two adults takes place. Just wanted to make sure you didn't get all defensive on me like last time.</b>

My comments were in support of BT being allowed to start the thread without being criticized for doing so. He still was criticized.

 

Are you, really? I thought you were just trying to associate me with such things...

 

Are we even speaking(writing) English?

 

A Black, E white, I red, U green, O blue : vowels,
I shall tell, one day, of your mysterious origins :
A, black velvety jacket of brilliant flies
Which buzz around cruel smells,

Gulfs of shadow ; E, whiteness of vapours and of tents,
Lances of proud glaciers, white kings, shivers of cow-parsley ;
I, purples, spat blood, smile of beautiful lips
In anger or in the raptures of penitence;

U, waves, divine shudderings of viridian seas,
The peace of pastures dotted with animals, the peace of the furrows
Which alchemy prints on broad studious foreheads ;

O, sublime Trumpet full of strange piercing sounds,
Silences crossed by Worlds and by Angels :
O the Omega, the violet ray of Her Eyes !

 

well it also could be because most churches have regular services going on sundays, and since muslims dont have such a service on sundays, (its usually on fridays) they might have gotten the open slot for the weekend...

 

So what's your point? To "understand the enemy"? We already know they don't exactly think too highly of us. Are we supposed to regret giving aid during the Tsunami? We did what we had to do. You really want to me buy that you know have a better understanding of the enemy because they showed joy in our pain? You claim you're not lumping them all together, then what are you doing? Obviously everyone in the Tsunami region is not an Islamic extremist and every Muslim is not an Islamic extremist. Where's your connection? The fact of the matter is that numerous Muslim organizations have stepped up and helped in this effort.

I know this will hit a nerve with some of you, but while we're so preocuppied with raising the terror warning level up the color spectrum and creating an environment of fear and hatred, Katrina should remind us that a vast percentage of our population struggles to survive in the face of a much more sinister enemy - poverty.

 

And that large group of our population has increased in number every year for the last four years, while I read about how great the unemployment rate has been getting, and how wonderful our economy is becoming, and how fabulous the Bush Administration has been for American workers, growth, business and so on. Oh, it's been fabulous for big business and the wealthy... better than they could have ever dreamed.

Why had poverty been consistently increasing before this incredible disaster? And what is going to happen now? If one goes by the track record of this administration the people who have been hammered by Katrina, and those affected by the ripples now spreading throughout our economy from it's aftermath should be very worried indeed.



Keep D&D Civil!!

 

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.world.aid/index.html

Qatar offers $100m to relief fund

 

"CUBA: Cuban President Fidel Castro offered to fly 1,100 doctors to Houston with 26 tonnes of medicine to treat disaster victims.

VENEZUELA: President Hugo Chavez, a vocal critic of the United States, offered to send cheap fuel, humanitarian aid and relief workers to the disaster area."

Huh, from our commie neighbours: "Love thy enemies."

 

To characterize, to contrast, to remind. It's newsworthy not flame-worthy.

 

Any mindreaders out there?

 

I think the thing is odd is that you were dismayed that extremists still hate us after we've done things for predominantly muslim areas.

In a sense that is lumping all Muslims together. In reality extremists don't care about that. In fact they kill more Muslims than non-Muslims. We don't have the most to fear from extremists. Muslims do.

 

How about Speak & Spell? Will that help you think about what American extremist groups hate other ethnicities and/or nationalities? Even after Israel or S.A. have offered aid? Let's start a thread about it.

 

Kuwait: Government has asked parliament to approve an emergency aid package of $500 million in humanitarian aid and petroleum. "We as Kuwaitis feel that we must stand alongside our friends to alleviate this humanitarian hardship," Minister of Energy Sheikh Ahmad Al-Fahd said in a statement to the Kuwait News Agency.


Qatar: Offers $100 million to assist in the humanitarian crisis triggered by Hurricane Katrina.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/05/katrina.world.aid/index.html


THAT is more than any other nation has offered...where are your allies now???...damn where is your government????...this is a b.s thread by the way.

 

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2005-09/05/article03.shtml

US Muslims Pledge $10m for Katrina Victims
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CAIRO, September 5, 2005 (IslamOnline.net) - A coalition of major American Islamic groups have formed a task force to coordinate humanitarian relief for the victims of Hurricane Katrina, pledging to raise $10 million for the effort.

"It is a national and Islamic obligation to assist one’s neighbors when they are in need," Sayyid Syeed, the secretary general of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), said in a press release e-mailed to IslamOnline.net.

"The American Muslim community pledges to do its part in helping those Americans, of all faiths, who suffered such great losses in lives and property."

The Muslim Hurricane Relief Task Force (MHRTF) was announced at the 42nd annual convention of ISNA, currently in session in Chicago.

It comprises, in alphabetical order, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), ISNA, Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Islamic Relief, Kind Hearts, Life for Relief and Development, Muslim Alliance in North America (MANA), Muslim American Society (MAS), Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), and Muslim Ummah of North America (MUNA).

CAIR last week urged American Muslims to offer assistance to alleviate the suffering of people impacted by Katrina.

The advocacy group also urged mosques and Islamic centers throughout the country to hold special blood drives, prayers and fundraising efforts for disaster relief.

Hurricane Katrina hit the US Gulf Coast just outside the city of New Orleans on August 29 and swept devastation through the area with winds of up to 145 mph (233 km/h).

The killer storm sent a devastating wall of water into Mississippi and 80% of the city of New Orleans, Louisiana, is submerged by waters as deep as 6m (20ft).

The disaster has killed thousands and displaced more than one million people, and requires the largest relief effort in American history.

Needs Assessment

MHRTF guidelines for collection and distribution of funds will focus on financial transparency and accountability as set forth in relevant government regulations and standards, according to the release.

Other groups who agree to the task force’s guidelines will be added as the relief efforts develop.

The initial action plan includes an assessment of the humanitarian needs that can be met by American Muslim financial and human resources, as well as a similar assessment of the Islamic community’s ability to meet those needs.

More than $2 millions in hurricane aid have already been disbursed by Islamic charities in an effort coordinated by Islamic Relief USA.

Muslim relief workers are currently on the ground in Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, and Mississippi, according to the Islamic relief Web site.

They provide emergency shelter for displaced people and assist in the massive clean-up efforts in hurricane-affected areas.

"We really appreciate the cooperation we have received in the three cities in which we are planning our relief activities," said Arif Shaikh, a spokesperson for Islamic Relief USA.

"In these times it is particularly important that people of all faiths and backgrounds come together to aid the victims of this devastating tragedy."

There are an estimated seven million Muslims in the United States.

You're right. Let's go on spreading the hatred while our own citizens struggle daily with poverty.