Like it or not, these people exist, I don't get why people act all surprised when someone blurts it out. Heck, a lot of churches have anti-Muslim sermons every Sunday. There was a recent poll showing nearly half, that is HALF of all Americans admit to prejudice against Muslims, and that is just the ones willing to admit it. It is reality man, Muslims are not the only ones either, they just happen to be the latest in a long series of hated minorities in America. One day the baton will be passed on to some other scapegoat, it is pretty much the history of race in America.
Very good point, however it is the history of the world not just america. The prejudice in the Netherlands against Muslims is also bad. People just want a scapegoat/enemy. Ofcourse the people of this websites are idiots. Unfortunatly there are many idiots in the world, the represent many religions and also atheist. Many people are just close minded and easily offended. People tend to fear things they do not understand, and for some reason other religions are things people do not understand. It is to early in the morning for me to join this discussion.
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Posting videos from the British Nationalist Party Youtube channel? Does the National Socialist White People's Party have a Youtube channel with any relevant videos you'd care to link? Responding to extremism with a whipsaw to the other extreme end of extremism is idiotic.
I'm not familiar with the BNP, thanks for pointing that out. But it's not like they produced the video. Here's another version. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/KFS5sl_La_A&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/KFS5sl_La_A&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
Well, you should be able to figure out that if they are supporting it, it is ipso facto some seriously crazy @ss ****, is factually wrong, and is out and out racist. If you say something and look up and the people that are cheering what you've just said are Nazis, you might give some serious thought to reconsidering what you've just said.
nah I don't usually go for guilt by association (and a youtube account is a pretty weak way to play that card). What specifically did Col. West say that was extreme?
Just like you mentioned it is within christianity as well, the quran was also written within the contexts of its times. The primary and base teachings are about peace, acceptance, tolerance, and prosperity, although there were times of war and attack during then which they also attended to in the quran, but this is not the overall focus of the teachings and the books and unfortunately as the prophet himself once said about people taking these words and teachings and manipulating and changing them around to support their own agenda which contradict our core values which is just whats going on right now. Its unfortunate it gets defaced and its a religion of a billion people, but an incredible minority is what gets the most exposure and the right to represent the rest of the majority of the people is truly unfortunate. It is as if the KKK which considers themselves true and good Christians, a clear minority and contradiction towards the openness and peaceful teachings of the bible were allowed to represent the majority of Christians. As per the word jihad being defaced I agree. In essence and what I have learned upon my studies and primary studies throughout most of the mosques and Muslim institutions that I know of is about the struggle and striving to be a better person, whether it means to be a better student, a better son or daughter, brother or sister, better American, citizen, just in general all of it takes struggle and you have to strive for it, and that is the meaning of it. The war part was just as i stated earlier during a context of that time when being attacked, but unfortunately now that it has been manipulated and defaced for the agenda of the extremists and widely accepted in this way, I can't use a favorite concept on mine to even put on a bracelet when I tried without being asked to leave the store(i use it for motivation and remembrance as I try to remember the struggle to be a better person and serve my country just like wwtdd bracelets)
It has nothing to do with race, as Col. West said, it's a theo-political construct we are up against. The underwear bomber was black ffs.
Do the words really need to be manipulated/changed that much to contradict your core values? Could it be that the text itself is contradictory, and is therefore fallible like any other human creation?
You can manipulate it, much like you can manipulate lots of theories to make them say what you think they should say. Yes, the words need to be manipulated/changed. If you have any specific doubts regarding quotes, please don't hesitate to ask.
it is interpreted in many ways, personally I believe that much of that part of the text was for a certain context relating to matters at that time and place rather than contradicting the general teaching as a whole which is fairly consistent throughout, but it does have measures for those times of war, attack, and certain circumstances. However the primary teaching itself is not consistent with those more extreme messages not because, in my opinion, it is simply fallible and contradictory, but those were for the context in those times of war and defense, and not meant to translate in such times as the way that some of the extremists did. Its all interpretations, you have full right of course to disagree as anyone does with anything. I certainly don't agree with things in and out of my community and in the same belief system and outside the same belief system, but I do believe in tolerance and respect even if I don't agree with something.
I don't believe it anymore than I 'believe' 2 plus 2 equals 4. The major religions of our time promote violence. Sucks, but its true. Whatever followup post you may have, I'll just defer you to this.
All religions talk about violence in their Bible. Hell the Holy Bible might as well be a war book. Either way, none of these religions are perfect.
The problem is that violence and oppression are inherent in major religious texts and will continue cropping up, no matter what. We can cherry pick and "re-interpret" them all we want, but in the end, literalists will always be around and their influence will grow and fade like the tides. There is nothing stopping people from acting out of peace and love and all that without the help of religious text, but there is certainly a force driving them toward violence/oppression within religious texts that wouldn't show itself otherwise. Give people divine motivation for it and they'll do a lot of really horrible things they normally wouldn't do. The dangerous fundamentalists may be 2%... but that's far too many when it should be 0.
