Islam vs South Park

This is not the case. You have apparently not read the thread.

"Just as" is not enough, and your observation is incorrect.

 

Southpark sense of humor is not for everyone but I personally find it hilarious.
Also you don't see Christians and Catholics threatening to kill the creators do you???
You don't seen Comedy Central censoring jokes about God do you? Also they didnt even portray Muhammad in a bad light...

 

I'm getting sick and ****ing tired of these extremists. I'm Muslim and I've been to Islamic Sunday School as a kid and NEVER encountered any teachings about embracing violence, but it was just the opposite as we learned about peace. These extremists will continue to deteriorate the image of Islam and Muslims by opening their loud, obnoxious mouths on such petty issues. I was seriously shocked when I saw that CNN video posted in this thread when they interviewed that one guy from RevolutionMuslim where he stated that Islam and the Quran "condoned violence" and they celebrated the 9/11 bombings. I was absolutely shocked at that statement because in EVERY SINGLE Islamic talk I have ever attended or listened to at conventions, mosques, gatherings, etc, it has always been about peace and never a peep about engaging in violence. Myself and all the Muslims I know(and thats A LOT) condemn any violence and view these extremists as some mislead members of an evil cult.

I personally enjoy watching South Park and don't take any of their jokes seriously or take them to heart, and the same goes with many of my Muslims friends who also enjoy it. Needless to say, these extremists are pissing me off as well as the greater Muslims community too.

 

I agree, they say all this stuff in mosques to the Muslim community but they need to get out and make this public in a big way because these extremists are not going to stop ridiculing the religion.

 

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The idea that religion is irrational is a discussion for another day.

But not a single person in this thread has equated Islam as terrorism, or characterized all Muslims as militant, or anything of the sort.

Pointing out the parts of religions which call for violence does not exclude or deny the other things which they advocate, and no one has suggested such.

Stop making things up, please.

 

http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/islamic_mo_full/

 

THEY CAME FIRST for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic.

THEN THEY CAME for the Scientologists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Scientologist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Muslims,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Muslim.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

 

haha i love how www.revolutionmuslim.com is still hacked..

 

DonnyMost,

2+2=4 is a fact.

What you've stated is your opinion, which is even invalid as an opinion because we can override it with fact.

It's an indication of one of two things:

1) You don't know Islamic text at all.
2) You hold your opinion over fact.

I'm just going to extend my hand: if there are specific quotes where you have a doubt, let me know and I'm happy to show you that you/someone else have/has taken them out of context.

Thanks.

 

Many Americans have gone to Afghanistan, killed innocent people, and tagged it an unfortunate mistake in the pursuit of Osama Bin Laden. Same thing happens in Palestinian territories all the time. Hizbollah does it. The IDF does it. If you are Muslim, you are a terrorist, and if you are not then you are a hero. This is how it's generally been.

Islam doesn't have a country. What's "another country"?

Riiiiiiiiiight. "I don't want to discuss the texts as actual evidence. It's not socio-economic. It must be the texts."

A+ as usual.

Also A+... I can't wait for humans to figure this out and start weeding out the root problem rather than sit back in an arm chair and superficially blurt out "terrorist".

 

I saw part of the South Park episode on CNN last nite. And I can't say that it was all that benign because it related Islam, or their prophet I guess, with extremists who wanted to bomb the place and kill everyone. This was not unlike the Danish cartoons which depicted their prophet as a terrorist with a bomb in his turban.

To me there's just no point in insulting an entire group of people with this kind of stuff. And even though the South Park guys have mocked other religions (in a funny way i might add), they haven't done so as harshly as with the Muslim religion.

For instance, if they had portrayed the Pope as a rapist and pedophile, or a Rabbi in some anti-Semitic context like Shylock, or a Hindu god slaughtering a cow, etc - then of course it would no longer be just funny and there would be uproar galore from all kinds of groups.

And while it can be argued that even if these inappropriate portrayals of the other religions had been aired, that there wouldn't necessarily be death threats coming from these non-Muslim groups......everyone is different and reacts differently in accordance with their past, culture, etc.

I can walk down the street, and walk up to 10 different people and slap each one in the face. One person might just turn around and run away. One person might start yelling at me. One person might try and punch me in the face. And yet another might pull out a gun and start shooting.

And in the particular case of these Muslims especially from the Middle East, there is obviously already an existing animosity to the West going back decades. They feel like America for one has waged illegal wars there, covertly supported the Iraq-Iran war, supported despotic regimes, stolen their oil, and the Palestinian issue, etc.

If there's already bad blood between you and someone else then that's even all the more reason not to throw more fuel on the fire.

 

IMO this is a huge failure of the American system btw.

If there was a death threat, then the dude should be held accountable accordingly.

For the Muslims who don't like it, tough luck. According to your hadith, non-Muslims aren't prohibited from depicting the Prophet.

To the makers of the show... it's a freakin fact. There are idiotic Muslims who don't understand or accept freedom of speech and you are likely to put yourself in danger by doing this stuff. You can keep exercising your freedom of speech in spite of that or you can actually try to fix that. If you've given up on fixing it, you've chosen conflict.

As a Muslim, I'm going to be engaging in a verbal attack on a "sheikh/imam" about this next week. That's what I can do and will do.

 

Fix it? How exactly?

Choosing to exercise/promote free speech is NOT choosing conflict.

The ones choosing conflict would be the people who act violently.

This is another gross example of someone trying to excuse the behavior of religious militants by shifting blame onto someone else.

Disgusting.

 

Here's a fact for you; people kill each other in the name of religion. Namely, your religion.

Here's another fact; Your "fact" is nothing more than interpretation and opinion. Same thing employed by the people who choose to pick up the sword in the name of religion, namely your religion.

That is inexcusable and unnecessary, and "denouncing it" isn't good enough.

And just for good measure here's another fact for you; needless and gross conflict and violence will be around for as long as religions (including Islam) which promote or justify violence (through interpretation, equivocation, or otherwise) exist on this planet.

 

So people just make stuff up in whatever holy book they find because they're poor, uneducated, etc? Right? Yeah that makes sense. Except for the fact that guys with Ph.Ds are blowing themselves up... oops. I don't think these guys are stupid enough to act without cause. You can't just dismiss this action as psychopathic behavior. People don't just commit violence randomly. They need cause, they need provocation. Too bad they're getting it from religion.

 

Look Mathloom.

You can sit around all day and do the Quran scholar thing, and spin it, and interpret it however you want to play-down the violent passages. But that really doesn't mean anything. You are fighting the wrong fight that way. Because at the end of the day, you could make a brilliant case for the "good" of Islam and someone would STILL commit violence in the name of Islam thinking that their actions are not only justified, but they will in fact be rewarded. That is the 900lbs gorilla in the room you don't seem to want to talk about. You dismiss it, ignore it, and sadly as we've seen in the above, excuse it. Perhaps if you care about Islam so much, you should devote less time trying to spin viewpoints on a message board (we're not the ones who need convincing that Islam is a completely peaceful religion) and actually get involved with some effort to curb Jihadist actions? Perhaps a missionary who could convince them of YOUR interpretation of the Quran would actually do some good.

 

The biggest failure is that of Comedy Central/Viacom.

Free speech took a pretty solid shot in the nuts due to religion, and that is a sad, sad day for all of us.

As for the guys at revolutionislam, I really don't consider that a death threat. If they had been non-muslim, no one would have considered it as such. If I put up a post on my blog stating, "man, matt and trey are so stupid, don't they realize what has happened to the other people who have made fun of a islam lately? they're probably going to wind up dead too" nobody would see that as a threat. The guys at revolutionislam have the same freedom of speech that matt and trey were supposed to have, which is the irony of that group... since in some other countries they would have been detained and smacked around a bit for the crap they've said about this country.

 

So were the people who crashed the planes on 9/11. They were respectful, sweet, humble, and hard working until they crashed the planes on 9/11.