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Isiah Thomas Threatens Bill Simmons (the sports guy)

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by 3814, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you're not comparing the denver roster and cap situation that kiki tookover to the nuggets situation are you.


    everyone tell me since its so freakin easy, how do you get rid of a $90MM cap when $20MM of that is locked up in a player like Houston?

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    this comes directly from denver's web site

    "Kiki Vandeweghe started to make his mark as GM last year. He inherits almost no players left over from the Issel days, has revamped the coaching staff last year, and seemed to lean towards people who will more instrumental in developing Denver's never ending parade of young raw talent. I think that is a wise move for the future. He did not rip apart the team and management immediately, but has been very methodical in removing all the old elements and bringing in new people that would seem to be a better fit for Denver and their current situation."


    http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/2003_draft/Picks/3_denver.shtml
     
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  2. emjohn

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    Well what you don't do is constantly swap out shorter deals for bigger ones.

    Nazr Mohammad becomes Malik Rose (inferior player, 2 additional years at higher salary)
    Vin Baker and Moochie become Mo Taylor (signed on for an additional year at $10 mill)
    Kurt Thomas becomes Q ($22 mill contract for an uninsured $40.7 mill)
    Mutombo, Othella, Frank Williams, for Jerome Williams and Crawford ($6 mill still remaining versus $62.2 million still on the NYK books)
    KVH becomes Tim Thomas and now Antonio Davis (money's a wash, talent slipped a bit)
    Eisley, McDyess, Ward, Lampe, and Vujanic for Penny and Marbury ($6.5 remaining from then-current deals as of today vs 92.6 the Knicks are still on the hook for)

    Add it up. Isiah has improved the talent marginally but has worsened their cap situation tremendously in doing so. Just count the in vs out dollars, for pete's sake! The rough number for net dollars is an added $179.7 brought in by Isiah in his trades.

    Please stop defending him. In 2008-2009, they are already committed to $45 (will probably be ~15 below the cap) mill in salary to four players.

    Evan
     
  3. KellyDwyer

    KellyDwyer Member

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    What he said.

    The contract situation is twice as intractable as when Isiah got there, and the team is no closer to a championship. Just because the team isn't as boring to watch, it hardly means Isiah's doing anything worth noting. Hell, Toronto's fun to watch sometimes ...
     
  4. emjohn

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    Actually, I managed to forget the uninsured Eddy Curry for Mike Sweetney (plus picks). Add another $25 mill or so to the net salary isiah's heaped onto Dolan. Over $200 million. That's just insane.

    Evan
     
  5. SmeggySmeg

    SmeggySmeg Member

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    isiah's big problem is he would never consider the other hidden/forgotten/mystery option for what to do with expiring Knicks contracts......

    LET THEM FRICKIN EXPIRE
     
  6. francis 4 prez

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    Hell, sometimes the Rockets are fun to wa....nevermind.
     
  7. KellyDwyer

    KellyDwyer Member

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    He can't lay off the latest thang.

    Oooh, Erick Dampier!
    Oooh, Jamal Crawford!
    Oooh, Eddy Curry!

    And next July, you'll hear it from Marc Berman in the NY Post: GOODEN PLENTY, ZEKE AFTER CAVS FORWARD ... even though they have no chance at the guy.

    Whatever is shiny'ish and new'ish ...
     
  8. KellyDwyer

    KellyDwyer Member

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    Rewatching tape of last night's game right now, not so much.

    Mainly because Scott Skiles refuses to actually play something called "a power forward." Because, I guess, Lu Deng and Andres Nocioni are the future answers for my favorite team at the 4.
     
  9. KeepKenny

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    That's not Denver's site. It was written by some nuggets fan as a part of a mock draft. I disagree with him, because like I said, they still had several failed players left over from Issel, yet Kiki managed to move them within a year or so without much of a problem.
     
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  10. Nuggets4

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    Fact: Kiki moved McDyess, Van Exel and LaFrentz all in the first year on the job. Not a lot of players number wise, but it was a large chunk of our salary cap.
     

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