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Ish should start over Lowry

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Audioout, Nov 17, 2010.

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  1. AggNRox

    AggNRox Member

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    i am talking about who is better with the starting lineup. it doesn't mean kyle starting means a loss.
     
  2. Rocketeer

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    Ish has made Lowry expendable now, especially with his new contract. I love Ish, he is easily the best passer on the team. And one thing I really like about him is that, even though he is not a great shooter, he understands that, and he keeps his dribble alive until he finds someone. Most guys that can't shoot, get wide open and either shoot and miss or swing the ball to a man that is not open or kills the play.

    It's very rare to see this from a rookie point guard. Brooks is good at doing this also now.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    Ish is very smart. He has a plan when he drives to the basket, and almost rarely gets caught in a bad spot. It's almost like he's thinking a couple steps ahead.
     
  4. albuster

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    The Rockets are very lucky to have landed Ish. With his natural instincts, demeanor, and overall game I think it is just a matter of time before he is handed the keys to the Rockets offense. His defense is pretty much advanced for a rookie.

    Adelman may want to give Ish some free rein in the offense in order to take advantage of his skills. It was frustrating to see Ish bring the ball up only to pass it to Lee who initiated the offense last night. That negated pretty much Ish's strength, which is to run the offense and make plays for his team mates, and gave the task instead to a challenged Lee. Adelman should utilize the rare skills of Ish more but he should recognize that first, and for once, get out of his comfort zone by relying and trusting the playmaking abilities of his gifted pg.

    Ish, of course, will be making mistakes. But his assist to TO ratio has been better than the two other pg's on the team. His mistakes are also easy to correct with more experience. I am not advocating that he starts now but my point is for Adelman to utilize his skills more by playing him more, and with the starters.
     
  5. Rocket_4_Life

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    I agree. Ish has natural giftings that neither AB nor KL have with respect to court-vision & play-making ability. The ball-movement in general seems improved when he's in there. He just needs experience. Additionally, he seems to have more confidence with his shot the past few games. Rookies typically struggle more defensively. I think this will also improve with experience. He has good fundamentals.
     
  6. mlwoo

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    Kyle Lowry Career 244 23.7 657-1577 .417 103-397 .259 677-883 .767 0.7 2.3 3.1 1.00 .21 1.62 2.25 3.9 8.6

    Ish Smith Career 9 19.0 19-52 .365 3-5 .600 6-8 .750 0.2 2.1 2.3 1.00 .00 1.33 1.44 3.3 5.2

    Let's give Ish a few hundred more games/shot attempts before we declare him better than Kyle.

    Even with the one game you pointed out, Ish is still shooting 36%.
     
  7. htown11

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    Lol every time someone has a nice little stretch on the Rockets you see these "I think this player should start over that player" oh man the impatience when it comes to losing is tough.

    When Lowry had that vintage game against the Pacers, everyone was like "the spark plug is back" uhh oops not so fast fellas.
     
  8. cavevato

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    You dont know if he's trying to sell fouls??? He's straight up garbage. His whole strategy is garbage. At least w/ Scola you can say he's a baller and Martin can light up the scoreboard, but Lowry..straight up garbage.Next to Morey trading for our next star, nothing would make me happier than to see this garbage traded away from the Rockets. Until then the best I could hope for is to see him get 10 minutes a game just like any other back up garbage player would get. Maybe then we wouldnt have to watch more than 3 garbage flops by a garbage player.
     
  9. T FOR 3!!!

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  10. Audioout

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    I think many of you are missing the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying that Lowry is bad or that even Ishmael is better. I'm not even saying this because Lowry has struggled somewhat the last couple games. Everyone has their ups and downs for whatever reason. Martin hasn't had good games the last couple either.

    I think based even on if both players play to their full potential, Ishmael would be better served playing with the starters, the bench would be better served led by Lowry, and the team as a whole may be better served overall.

    I repeat, this is not a Kyle bashing thread. At least, it wasn't meant to be.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    Let me guess, you have a stack of commemorative Upper Deck cards celebrating Dana Barros, Darrell Armstrong, and Scott Skiles MIP seasons.
     
  12. BackNthDay

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    We suck for 2 major reasons, can't get stops and defensive rebounding. Kyle or Ish could start if the previous were managed effectively.

    KL - good defender
    KM - will play D but horrible in 4th Qtr
    SB - no longer effective stoping key contributor
    LS - Great offensively, put horrible perimeter D and getting posted up at will
    Miller - Good offensively, hits outside shot, can go to bucket. Can't stop anyone who has a back to the basket game or put it on the floor.

    WE ARE HORRIBLE defensively and will not change unless some trades are made. Great offensive makeup, can't stop Booker T. Washington high school
     
  13. WFU Guy

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    I don't know the Rockets' players that well - I only became very interested during Summer League (for obvi"ish" reasons - see username). But I do get what you are saying. I think if you pair Ish up with players that are ball hogs and/or jack up shot after shot w/out letting plays develop OR pair him up with bigs that won't run the floor, he's not going to be very impressive. Conversely, if he's out there with guys that want him to create for them, he can be very impressive. I don't think it matters if it's the starting squad or the bench he comes on the court with - it does matter the type of player with which he does so however.

    Now when he reconfigures the teardrop for a faster/more agile/bigger guy in the lane, he'll be a good bit more threatening than he is now (from the bit I have seen, he doesn't seem comfortable with it like he was last year). That used to be quite a reliable shot for him in school.

    On his stats, he's a much different player in the crunch - despite his historically poor shooting and more poor FT%, any WFU fan wanted him with the ball in his hands or even on the FT line in the last minutes of a game - he was a different guy. If you went by stats alone and didn't watch him play, it was very misleading.

    But again, as much as I would love for him to start, it's who he's on the floor with that will be more important than starting or coming in off the bench. I personally would like to see Coach Adelman use him more consistently - esp. when Lowry is gassed. But I am content that the rest of the country is getting to enjoy a guy that we absolutely loved at Wake for four years.

    Adam - A Bobcats and now Rockets fan!
     
  14. waytookrzy079

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    You picked a bad time to jump on the bandwagon! But welcome! :)
     
  15. Tom Bombadillo

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    Kyle Lowry has gotten worse.

    Remember when we brought him over and Daryl's "advanced stats" told us that he was one of the best shooters inside the three point line? Therefore giving hope that he could add a jumpshot?

    Oh boyyy...
     
  16. sew

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    Start Ish until Lowry until gets his **** together.
     
  17. WFU Guy

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    Technically, with the current W/L record, I believe it makes me the antithesis of a bandwagon fan.

    Regardless, I doubt the Rockets had any more staunch fan east of the Mississippi during their Summer League. I give Daryl Morey and Rick Adelman credit for seeing in Smith what those of us did in college. Ish had a tryout for Larry Brown here who passed and picked up Sherron Collins instead (not sure I get that - esp. w/ Shaun Livingston as your primary backup). But Bobcats loss was Rockets gain IMO - and you get an extra fan out of the deal.
     
  18. napalm06

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    Because we hate the starting point guard.
     
  19. waytookrzy079

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    Yup.. i like Ish's game.. he's a smart PG and still very raw, young, and learning and i think he'll be a nice serviceable PG in the NBA.
     

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