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Isaiah Canaan is a good player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by baubo, Nov 9, 2014.

  1. RacerJoeD

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    Tonight

    Brewer 6-8 from 3pt
    The rest 6-25

    Canaan is shooting 41% from 3 and over 43% overall
    Shved shoots less than 30% from 3 and less than 40% overall.
     
  2. basketballholic

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    I meant you can easily distinguish a playmaker like Joseph from playmakers like Brewer, Shved, Josh Smith, Beverley, etc. There's no comparison really. Joseph is miles better at making plays.


    And as for Mills.........look at his role on last year's championship team. Off the bench. Almost 20 minutes a game. Very efficient shot making and handle. Low turnover guy. Very good comparable to Canaan.....except....Canaan is even better finishing at the rim and drawing the fouls.
     
  3. RacerJoeD

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    And frankly, Dragic is a great player and a horrible fit for the Rockets. Harden is the ball handler. He is the MVP candidate, right? So then why all the fuss to take the ball out of his hands? Dragic is a slightly better Lin. He has to have the ball.

    You only get to use one ball.
     
  4. DrNuegebauer

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    Uhhhh?

    Lin is very crap, Dragic averaged 20ppg in a backcourt with a max PG last season, and is again scoring well while playing alongside 2 ball dominant players in the backcourt.

    Harden doesnt need to be as ball dominant if we have another player who is effectively creative. In fact, it would open up opportunities for him to score off someone else's creativity.
     
  5. ksny15

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    Lol slightly better than Lin? You obviously are not paying attention to Phoenix or else you know Dragic has been killing it this year... Without the ball in his hands.
     
  6. KlutchQT

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    That "Racer" in your username suggests to me your opinion about replacing Canaan may be slightly biased. ;) A "slightly better Lin" Dragic is not.
     
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    Been seeing some posters making this assumption that Dragic would not fit with Harden. He would be the perfect fit. I would like to see Harden handle the ball less and play more off the ball. He is having to do too much right now, that's why some games he has so many turnovers. He needs someone to take that pressure off of him.
     
  8. Teen Wolf

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    Agreed. Glad you came around on realizing Mchale has serious rotation issues. To the point where Morey made a trades to force his hands in the past.
     
  9. RacerJoeD

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    Uhhh

    Lin averaged 15 on a team with a max player who was a dominant ball handler.

    Dragic is better, but their game is comparable.

    Harden needs a kick out option, hence all the outside shooting by guys who probably shouldn't be. If you put a shooter out there (Dragic is not.) Harden gains effectiveness. Defenses cannot collapse on the penetrator without risk of giving up the 3.

    Ijs
     
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    Speculation, but my best guess is that Harden's minutes would be largely staggered with those of the secondary playmaker. I don't necessarily think we need anybody to take the ball out of Harden's hands when he's on the floor, but we do need someone capable of running the offense/making plays so that the offense doesn't grind to an ugly halt when Harden sits -- the role Lin was supposed to fulfill last season.
     
  11. Teen Wolf

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  12. RacerJoeD

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    I am biased. My bias is based upon watching this kid play. He is capable of being a high level contributed. He has shown it in Houston when given brief chances with the second team against first team defenses.

    I'm not going to hide the fact that I'm a fan of his. I've watched him make plays for years. You see him as a second round draft pick, or an undersized combo guard. I see what he is capable of.

    There is another thread talking about how shooting percentages are so low. I think there is a correlation between the focus on size and shooting percentage drop. Everyone is so worried about how tall a guy is, they overlook how good a player he is.
    If size was everything, Bol, Muresan, Eaton, and Bradley would all be HOFers, and Chuck Hayes would have never made a starting lineup.
     
  13. RacerJoeD

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    Contributor*
     
  14. Teen Wolf

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    Agreed. Only thing I can tell you his time will come. Can't promise it will be in houston because Mcfail is incompetent and Morey would include him in a Dragic deal in a heartbeat.
     
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    Honestly, as much as I love Bev, with the extra defense that we now have with Smith starting, with our current roster, I wish McHale would just go ahead and START Caanan.

    That way our starting lineup will be more balanced with offense and defense. Bev might get his feelings hurt a little, but ultimately he is going to be a backup anyway because Morey will find another starting PG to replace him.

    If Caanan got the opportunity to start, and the green light to be agressive unless Harden is requesting the ball, I think this would really put unbearable pressure on other teams' defenses.
     
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    I think Joseph is a combo guard that's continually improved over the seasons.. you are comparing him to non-point guards, so sure, he is a relatively better point guard than those players. It certainly shows the Rockets are lacking in a point guard that can drive and dish effectively.

    Mills has been good as a role player guard for multiple seasons; he didn't play particularly well tonight in his first game of the season thankfully.
     
  17. KlutchQT

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    I'm not sure who the "you" is, but I think you're getting defensive and grossly overgeneralizing as a result. This whole thread was started because a lot of people here think he's a guy who can contribute and possibly fulfill that secondary playmaker role if given consistent minutes. I simply think you'd be hard-pressed to find anybody who'd agree that Goran Dragic is just "slightly" better than Jeremy Lin, that's all.
     
  18. Teen Wolf

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    Yeah that's a ridiculously stupid claim by him.
     
  19. RacerJoeD

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    Not defensive at all. In the sentence you are referring to, the understood qualifier is "may" as it might or possibly. It should read "You may see him..." That seems to be the source of the confusion.

    And I did utilize reductio ad absurdum in reference to compare Dragic to Lin. In the end, they are players who play a comparable style (Dragic is better, granted). But it is an imperfect fit for what the Rox run as an offense.
     
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    So Bev is a non-PG.

    Frankly, I agree.

    Bev is a non-PG perimeter 3&D player who happens to match up best defensively against point guards and some shooting guards.
     
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