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Isaiah Canaan is a good player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by baubo, Nov 9, 2014.

  1. bongman

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    Aren't you guys suppose to have a catchy new name for him? That is so 2011. It would be a great excercise in creativity I think.
     
  2. kemah

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    loo

    Maybe Mchale wants to actually win games not be a fan boy of particular players. :rolleyes:
     
  3. shastarocket

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    Not possible. Blame the coaches
     
  4. kemah

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    lol

    Why not as it worked for the LOF's. ;);)
     
  5. basketballholic

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    LOL at the Brooks comparison.

    Look, Canaan was a better playmaker than Brooks ever was or ever will be the minute Canaan laced them up and stepped on the court for the first time.

    Canaan sees the floor better, is a more willing distributor, and goes to the hole more often and finishes better with contact than Brooks did or ever will. Brooks avoids contact, tries to twist and squirm to keep from being hit. Canaan goes down there looking for the bump and the finish.

    Canaan is better than Brooks now. He was better than Brooks last year. And barring injury he will always be better than Brooks.
     
  6. tmacfor35

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    Crazy thought.

    Brooks did put up 19 points a game in this league at what point.

    Reviews are still out about Canaan.

    I would hold back the fluffing for a little bit.
     
  7. kemah

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    Canaan was not giving us a lot of assists but he was doing everything else well. Canaan is definitely someone that we need to cultivate more. I was expecting him to maybe do what he is doing now but next year. I don't understand how in one year he made this leap. Yes he was a great scorer in college but he was known and last year showed he was inept defensively. This is the leap I am talking about. He still gets burned but he has looked like he has been coached by Bev this year.

    If he can continue to improve his Bev defense and run the offense like Harden then he is golden. I have been impressed with his ability to get fouls and make them. Very important for someone that can do that in my opinion.
     
  8. basketballholic

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    Hold back all you want. But that's not a crazy thought. I'm pretty sure most of the league already knows about Canaan. It's a matter of him getting more opportunity.
     
  9. tmacfor35

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    Undersized. Just like Brooks.

    Not as quick

    Not as good of a shooter.

    Worse ball handling.

    Both awful defending.

    Brooks is a better player.
     
  10. basketballholic

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    Except Canaan has about 25 lbs. of muscle that Brooks don't have.

    False

    False again. Canaan is a better shooter and has better shot selection with 85% of his attempts coming at the rim or from 3. Brooks jacks it from all over and he doesn't have the lift nor as quick a release as Canaan has.

    Once again false. They're about the same with Canaan having the advantage of bulk a bigger body to keep himself from being smothered as much as Brooks is.

    Brooks has been awful in the past. But he's actually improving at the present with Thibs coaching him. Noticeable difference in his D. But he's not a great defender.

    Canaan is an unproven defender. Probably won't be a great defender but he has done really well this year considering. Very adept at picking the ball off and getting in the way of what the defense is doing.

    That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. But you'll have to change your opinion at some point.
     
  11. tmacfor35

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    Some of the best shooters in the league had almost zero lift.

    Brooks is hitting at a 44% clip this year.

    Canaan a shade under at 43%

    I think a better indicator would be free throw shooting.

    Great free throw shooters are usually great shooters overall.


    Canaan-75%
    Brooks-81%

    Assist-3.1 Brooks
    1.9 Canaan

    Brooks is proven.
     
  12. kemah

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    Brooks is almost out of the league. Canaan has potential to be top 10 PG. Who is more valuable?
     
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    LOL. You're dealing in minutia. You'll see eventually that Canaan is the superior playmaker (and player) to Brooks.
     
  14. oakdogg

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    My two cents on the debate of Canaan vs. Brooks:

    Brooks is DEFINITELY quicker. That is obvious just from the eyeball test.

    The problem with Brooks is he can't capitalize on that quickness well enough, because he's a bad finisher (only finished @48% that year he averaged almost 20 PPG) and he doesn't draw contact and get to the line. Also, he is a horrid defender. I looked at that DRPM stat ranking of PG's for last year, and Brooks was 69th out of 74!

    Canaan is unproven. There appears to be negligible difference between Brooks and Canaan's shooting. I've been told that Canaan will regularly get to the basket and draw fouls, but he hasn't done that all yet. That will be big IMO. Several posters have commented Canaan has been a good defender this year, but I have no eye for that.

    I'd say Canaan is better from this limited analysis. And Brooks was my favorite player in bball from the time we drafted him until he was traded away (I just love his quickness).
     
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    I just noticed I ignored playmaking/assists in my analysis, which is bad when dealing with PG's. Brooks is better hands down at that with more than double the assists per minute, and I really hope Canaan improves that. They both are pretty careful with the ball by their TO numbers.

    I still say Canaan's better, mainly because of the difference in defense.
     
  16. Zergling

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    Rockets clearly need another playmaker to ease the pressure off Harden (9 turnovers tonight) and another shooter if Beverley/Terry aren't cutting it.

    Terry and Beverley combined to go 1-11 from three and yet Canaan still doesn't play a minute. This is a huge McFail
     
  17. oakdogg

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    Is Canaan still injured? WTF is the deal?
     
  18. TesseracT

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    Canaan scored 12 on SAS last time we played them and defended TP well. He gets 0 minutes tonight.

    I'm actually kind of hoping the reason he's not playing is bc he's still hurting and he's not just buried on the bench the rest of the season.
     
  19. cheke64

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    Canaan needs to start. Pretty soon they'll realize that.
     
  20. basketballholic

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    If he's still hurting and not able to play then he doesn't need to be active, does he?

    I mean who we fooling here.


    We're struggling with secondary playmakers. We got Brewer, Smith, and Terry running around trying to run this offense when Harden sits. And when he's in there we ain't got no point guard with Bev basically just serving it up to Harden every possession so Harden can deal with the triple teams all by his lonesome.

    I mean come on man. Who we fooling? Everybody and their brother knows we need a second playmaker and Canaan sits???

    Oh defense? Yeah that's the reason.

    Only....Terry is standing around out there giving up wide open 3-balls and can't even slow down the backup point guard on his way to the rim. Can't stop shooting guards or small forwards either. Total mismatch out there defensively.

    Jason Terry is a very one-dimensional SPOT UP SHOOTER. That's it. Occasionally his spot up gets overplayed and he can finish something backdoor off the extreme overplay. But not always.

    Isn't it obvious that McHale is being very very STUBBORN here.

    There's no reason why Canaan shouldn't have gotten 10 minutes minimum burn out there. No reason.
     

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